CBLCardinals MLB 2004 update DONE - Page 7

DCHepler25 · 02-24-2004, 09:00 AM

Yes, in real life, MLB shares the national TV contract equally, but that is not true in OOTP. OOTP uses market size to set the national and the local contracts for each team differently.

That's why many roster developers use 70% player contract numbers, b/c OOTP seems to set TV contracts at about 70% of the real life numbers.

The problem isn't using the real player contracts, its finding a way for the teams to make enough money to afford them.

Also, just a note here.... MLB also distributes all merchandising as a form of revenue sharing. So that number should be the same for every team in OOTP, but its not.

sixfour210 · 02-24-2004, 09:49 AM

Well. . . just played out the 2004 season with my roster set so far and got some good results with actual salaries. In the 2005 offseason, here are a couple notable signings.

Carlos Delgado, BOS, 11,731,500 for 7 years
Richie Sexson, SF, 7,219,500 for 4 years
Carlos Beltran, KC (signed as a free agent, not re-sign) 7,557,000 for 3 years
Eric Chavez, CHC, 11,821,000 for 5 years
Eric Milton, BOS, 7,094,300 for 4 years
Russ Ortiz, PHI, 6,256,600 for 4 years
Lance Berkman, COL, 9,829,000 for 4 years
John Smoltz, KC, 6,746,700 for 1 year

Seems pretty realistic to me. Like I said, as long as you set each team up to make a slight profit the first year by using the "adjust team market" option, you'll be OK.

CBLCardinals · 02-24-2004, 01:57 PM

After the 2004 season, the following players went to Free Agency (just a sample size):

Beltran 9.2 M/ 7 years
Wood 10.7 M/ 3 years
Sexson 7.2 M/ 3 years
Glaus 6.02 M/ 3 years
Morris 10.7M/ 5 years
Millwood 8.5 M/ 3 years
Berkman 8.8 M/ 3 years
Chavez 10.7 M/ 5 years

Again, at 70% salaries initially.

The above players are all certainly All-Star calibre, but you dont see 12-20 Million tossed at them by the CPU like everyone wants. If this was the case, I'd certainly use 100% Grade A Major league Salaries all the way!

Having "Real" salaries and "Actual" finances sounds good, but too many teams would end up with too much money in the long run. 20 years down the road in your simulation, The Yankees would still be raking in 190+ million, while paying 8-12 million max for the league's very best.

The test runs Ive performed with my roster set and finances work pretty well (Creating Free Agents, etc). Large market teams still make significantly more than small market teams. Therefore, they spend more money.

sixfour210 · 02-24-2004, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CBLCardinals
After the 2004 season, the following players went to Free Agency (just a sample size):

Beltran 9.2 M/ 7 years
Wood 10.7 M/ 3 years
Sexson 7.2 M/ 3 years
Glaus 6.02 M/ 3 years
Morris 10.7M/ 5 years
Millwood 8.5 M/ 3 years
Berkman 8.8 M/ 3 years
Chavez 10.7 M/ 5 years

Again, at 70% salaries initially.

The above players are all certainly All-Star calibre, but you dont see 12-20 Million tossed at them by the CPU like everyone wants. If this was the case, I'd certainly use 100% Grade A Major league Salaries all the way!

Having "Real" salaries and "Actual" finances sounds good, but too many teams would end up with too much money in the long run. 20 years down the road in your simulation, The Yankees would still be raking in 190+ million, while paying 8-12 million max for the league's very best.

The test runs Ive performed with my roster set and finances work pretty well (Creating Free Agents, etc). Large market teams still make significantly more than small market teams. Therefore, they spend more money.

It's my opinion that both will turn out well. The only reason why I posted those examples was because people said actual salaries WON'T work. Just wanted to show that they will. Even in the long run, everything will remain realistic.

The key is to keep the cash max low whatever the situation whether it be 70% or real salaries.

CBLCardinals · 02-24-2004, 09:01 PM

<I>The key is to keep the cash max low whatever the situation whether it be 70% or real salaries.</I>

Excellent Point sixfour!

I've debated on what that cash max should be.... I'll probably start with 10 Million, and see how that works long term!

And1pg2 · 02-24-2004, 10:46 PM

Sixfour where can i get your set?

Boozie1580 · 02-24-2004, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by birdsofprey02
ANd then what? They bench ARod?

Boone's not gonna play for the yankees ever again unless he moves to second or something, lol.

Don't think this type of stuff is typical of us Orioles fans.

GODHAN · 02-24-2004, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CBLCardinals
After the 2004 season, the following players went to Free Agency (just a sample size):

Beltran 9.2 M/ 7 years
Wood 10.7 M/ 3 years
Sexson 7.2 M/ 3 years
Glaus 6.02 M/ 3 years
Morris 10.7M/ 5 years
Millwood 8.5 M/ 3 years
Berkman 8.8 M/ 3 years
Chavez 10.7 M/ 5 years

Again, at 70% salaries initially.

The above players are all certainly All-Star calibre, but you dont see 12-20 Million tossed at them by the CPU like everyone wants. If this was the case, I'd certainly use 100% Grade A Major league Salaries all the way!

Having "Real" salaries and "Actual" finances sounds good, but too many teams would end up with too much money in the long run. 20 years down the road in your simulation, The Yankees would still be raking in 190+ million, while paying 8-12 million max for the league's very best.

The test runs Ive performed with my roster set and finances work pretty well (Creating Free Agents, etc). Large market teams still make significantly more than small market teams. Therefore, they spend more money.

That's the thing... in real life, only a few big-market teams can afford these players. But with these reduced salaries, surely alot more small market teams can jump into the fray.

I guess it depends on whether u think u are designing ur roster for use by Online Leagues, or single-player leagues. In an online-league, those players will command alot more, as people tend to use real-life numbers to judge players, with A-Rod at 25 being the peak.

CBLCardinals · 02-24-2004, 11:58 PM

good points Godhan.

I certainly respect your opinion/thoughts on the matter.

I agree that 100% salaries is definately the way to shoot for in online leagues. Human owners bid much higher than CPU teams.

The roster set I'm designing is more geared towards solo-play; but online leagues would be more than welcome to use them! =)

PocketAces9900 · 03-01-2004, 01:15 PM

Is there a link for me to download this roster set? And test it out?

643gdp · 03-01-2004, 01:46 PM

Here's the download link (I got it from the first page of this thread):
http://www.ootpdownloadcenter.com/

Jay

DavidPuddy · 03-01-2004, 01:52 PM

Everyone must be trying to hit this site right now, b/c it's not loading at all for me....

CBLCardinals · 03-01-2004, 08:22 PM

Guys,

Please check this link for the post about Version 1.2!

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...5&pagenumber=1

02-24-2004, 09:00 AM	#121
DCHepler25 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 1,491	Yes, in real life, MLB shares the national TV contract equally, but that is not true in OOTP. OOTP uses market size to set the national and the local contracts for each team differently. That's why many roster developers use 70% player contract numbers, b/c OOTP seems to set TV contracts at about 70% of the real life numbers. The problem isn't using the real player contracts, its finding a way for the teams to make enough money to afford them. Also, just a note here.... MLB also distributes all merchandising as a form of revenue sharing. So that number should be the same for every team in OOTP, but its not. __________________ Raise the Jolly Roger!

02-24-2004, 09:49 AM	#122
sixfour210 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,227	Well. . . just played out the 2004 season with my roster set so far and got some good results with actual salaries. In the 2005 offseason, here are a couple notable signings. Carlos Delgado, BOS, 11,731,500 for 7 years Richie Sexson, SF, 7,219,500 for 4 years Carlos Beltran, KC (signed as a free agent, not re-sign) 7,557,000 for 3 years Eric Chavez, CHC, 11,821,000 for 5 years Eric Milton, BOS, 7,094,300 for 4 years Russ Ortiz, PHI, 6,256,600 for 4 years Lance Berkman, COL, 9,829,000 for 4 years John Smoltz, KC, 6,746,700 for 1 year Seems pretty realistic to me. Like I said, as long as you set each team up to make a slight profit the first year by using the "adjust team market" option, you'll be OK. __________________

03-01-2004, 01:15 PM	#130
PocketAces9900 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 140	Is there a link for me to download this roster set? And test it out? __________________ MBLMontreal Expos SSBL New York Mets

03-01-2004, 01:52 PM	#132
DavidPuddy Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NY Posts: 68	Everyone must be trying to hit this site right now, b/c it's not loading at all for me.... __________________ "Feels Like An Arby's Night" "Yeah, that's right."

02-24-2004, 01:57 PM	#123
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,920	After the 2004 season, the following players went to Free Agency (just a sample size): Beltran 9.2 M/ 7 years Wood 10.7 M/ 3 years Sexson 7.2 M/ 3 years Glaus 6.02 M/ 3 years Morris 10.7M/ 5 years Millwood 8.5 M/ 3 years Berkman 8.8 M/ 3 years Chavez 10.7 M/ 5 years Again, at 70% salaries initially. The above players are all certainly All-Star calibre, but you dont see 12-20 Million tossed at them by the CPU like everyone wants. If this was the case, I'd certainly use 100% Grade A Major league Salaries all the way! Having "Real" salaries and "Actual" finances sounds good, but too many teams would end up with too much money in the long run. 20 years down the road in your simulation, The Yankees would still be raking in 190+ million, while paying 8-12 million max for the league's very best. The test runs Ive performed with my roster set and finances work pretty well (Creating Free Agents, etc). Large market teams still make significantly more than small market teams. Therefore, they spend more money.

02-24-2004, 09:01 PM	#125
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,920	<I>The key is to keep the cash max low whatever the situation whether it be 70% or real salaries.</I> Excellent Point sixfour! I've debated on what that cash max should be.... I'll probably start with 10 Million, and see how that works long term!

02-24-2004, 10:46 PM	#126
And1pg2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 979	Sixfour where can i get your set?

02-24-2004, 11:58 PM	#129
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,920	good points Godhan. I certainly respect your opinion/thoughts on the matter. I agree that 100% salaries is definately the way to shoot for in online leagues. Human owners bid much higher than CPU teams. The roster set I'm designing is more geared towards solo-play; but online leagues would be more than welcome to use them! =)

03-01-2004, 01:46 PM	#131
643gdp Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dyersburg, TN Posts: 44	Here's the download link (I got it from the first page of this thread): http://www.ootpdownloadcenter.com/ Jay

03-01-2004, 08:22 PM	#133
CBLCardinals OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,920	Guys, Please check this link for the post about Version 1.2! http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...5&pagenumber=1