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mad0die · 02-24-2004, 11:09 AM

Somehow I always seem to be around these FOBL v. "our poor little league" battles and yet not directly responsible.

The ORB was a huge mistake that I believe was corrected by Recte as soon as he was made aware. A riot on the ORB board "helped" the general owner-base become aware...

The tMBU is also a huge mistake that I am willing to help JSB get a new webpage up ASAP. There was also a FOBL riot in regards to this that was exacerbated by a prior relationship between oakjefferson and the FOBL. Oak had nothing to do with the tMBU homepage. You can say he "should have" as a co-commish, but he did not know where JSB got the homepage from. (damn, me defending Oak - what is this world coming to

).

The MBBA is different. As Simms as already stated, Travis (Commish of MBBA) worked with him well in advance of putting up the new design. He told us all he really liked the FOBL design and was going to contact the Commish there. I applaud Simms for working with him and urge all Commishes to follow this example of working together by Travis and Simms.

Wrongs have been done. IMO taking homepage code w/o permission is no different than plagiarism. However, the short-sighted actions of a couple commishes does not seem to justify the FOBL attacking every member of said league and disrupting the league as a whole.

Subby · 02-24-2004, 11:10 AM

Jesus - I was just kidding about the three-legged pig.

Your story was poignant and tender nonetheless.

Regardless...don't send me anymore PMs.

Drake · 02-24-2004, 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by Mile_High_GM
Now, I am not a lawyer. But, normally, when there is a copyright, isn't normal for there to be some notification, and then the person who screwed up is given some time to either come to an agreement with the person/group who were wronged or fix the problem?

The first step is typically a Cease & Desist order issued from the claimant's attorney. If the party complies and immediately removes the copyrighted material, no further action occurs. If the party does not comply or attempts to negotiate, the attorney notifies the offending party's ISP that they are in violation of the DMCA and attempts to have the content removed or the website shut down at that level. Then it escalalates from there.

Most people would prefer a childish tirade to a letter from one of our (way too many) lawyers, I think.

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My point was that it was just plain wrong for you guys to attack and not try to fix the problem.

Protecting our legal copyright is "fix(ing) the problem".

Once again, however, I will agree with you that the pile-on methods are often over the top. I may disagree with our methods sometimes, but some sort of action is essential.

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Bottom line here, he is now fixing the problem and very soon it won't be an issue. So, maybe we should all concentrate on that instead of continuing along these "I'm a lawyer, you're going to get sued" posts.

This was a miscommunication issue between the FOBL Board of Governors and the constituent owners. Where necessary, apologies have been extended. Please note that I'm not claiming to be a lawyer here or threatening to sue anyone. My sole intent has been to clarify issues of copyright protection under the DMCA and to perhaps give some sort of indication as to why FOBLers go ape-**** (not you, TRO) over infringements.

PineTar · 02-24-2004, 11:21 AM

In honor of Mardi Gras, I would like to extend an invitation to the entire OOTP community to stop on by the FOBL for some festive upside down margarita enemas to help take the edge off of any bruised feelings the past couple days events may have caused.

Subby · 02-24-2004, 11:21 AM

Mad0die <img src="http://www.thefobl.com/forums/images/smilies/smooch.gif"> Subby

mad0die · 02-24-2004, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by PineTar
In honor of Mardi Gras, I would like to extend an invitation to the entire OOTP community to stop on by the FOBL for some festive upside down margarita enemas to help take the edge off of any bruised feelings the past couple days events may have caused.

When is happy hour?

A.J. Holz · 02-24-2004, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by PineTar
In honor of Mardi Gras, I would like to extend an invitation to the entire OOTP community to stop on by the FOBL for some festive upside down margarita enemas to help take the edge off of any bruised feelings the past couple days events may have caused.

Accepted. I could use a drink. No matter where.

Killebrew · 02-24-2004, 11:58 AM

Those FOBL guys are ruining it for everybody

.

Braveheart · 02-24-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by A.J. Holz
Accepted. I could use a drink. No matter where.

Drunk!

LivnLegend · 02-24-2004, 12:46 PM

Travis also contacted me in reference to using elements from the USBA as well. I commend him for putting together a damn nice web page and for having the class others lack in asking for consent beforehand.

wignasty · 02-24-2004, 12:51 PM

FOBL has gone soft

Rainey · 02-24-2004, 01:01 PM

It is so easy to hide behind a computer screen

A.J. Holz · 02-24-2004, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Braveheart
Drunk!

Kettle says: Nice pot, blackie!

Treches · 02-24-2004, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by Drake
I will also admit that I'd be fascinated to see the expression on the judge's face when some of these transcripts were entered into evidence in a copyright infringement suit.

Heh, indeed. I may be tempted to ripp the FOBL's site off just to witness that scenario. I can see Subby wearing the pumpkin hat and starting his answer to the defense with a "listen, ****wad...". The judge would probably send us all to apply for the village idiot's job, but we could always sell the rights for a musical. We may be losing a fortune here.

Subby · 02-24-2004, 01:33 PM

This all could have been avoided if our Commish wasn't Canadian.

Drake · 02-24-2004, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Subby
This all could have been avoided if our Commish wasn't Canadian.

True, true.

He's a talented Canadian, though. Sort of like Michael J. Fox, or one of those organ grinder monkeys.

frozenrope9190 · 02-24-2004, 04:13 PM

Alan Thicke: The Ultimate Canadian.

Anne Murray: The Ultimate Canadian with Breasts.

ImpossibleDream · 02-24-2004, 04:19 PM

Wow. You stay home sick from work one day and browse the OOTP boards ... and look what you find!

I appreciate the guidance I got from both Simms and LivnLegend with regards to the web design. The page is still a work in progress, and I very well may need to contact either of them again for help. I hope I can continue to do so.

Both leagues have excellent pages devoted to them, and no doubt a great group of owners.

-Travis

bostonbaseball86 · 02-24-2004, 04:27 PM

this is fun

asamford · 02-24-2004, 04:50 PM

I like you FOBL guys no matter what Cusefan says about you.

02-24-2004, 11:09 AM	#21
mad0die All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: TX Posts: 913	Somehow I always seem to be around these FOBL v. "our poor little league" battles and yet not directly responsible. The ORB was a huge mistake that I believe was corrected by Recte as soon as he was made aware. A riot on the ORB board "helped" the general owner-base become aware... The tMBU is also a huge mistake that I am willing to help JSB get a new webpage up ASAP. There was also a FOBL riot in regards to this that was exacerbated by a prior relationship between oakjefferson and the FOBL. Oak had nothing to do with the tMBU homepage. You can say he "should have" as a co-commish, but he did not know where JSB got the homepage from. (damn, me defending Oak - what is this world coming to ). The MBBA is different. As Simms as already stated, Travis (Commish of MBBA) worked with him well in advance of putting up the new design. He told us all he really liked the FOBL design and was going to contact the Commish there. I applaud Simms for working with him and urge all Commishes to follow this example of working together by Travis and Simms. Wrongs have been done. IMO taking homepage code w/o permission is no different than plagiarism. However, the short-sighted actions of a couple commishes does not seem to justify the FOBL attacking every member of said league and disrupting the league as a whole. __________________ Commish GUBA

02-24-2004, 11:21 AM	#24
PineTar Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 154	In honor of Mardi Gras, I would like to extend an invitation to the entire OOTP community to stop on by the FOBL for some festive upside down margarita enemas to help take the edge off of any bruised feelings the past couple days events may have caused. __________________

02-24-2004, 11:58 AM	#28
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	Those FOBL guys are ruining it for everybody.

02-24-2004, 12:46 PM	#30
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	Travis also contacted me in reference to using elements from the USBA as well. I commend him for putting together a damn nice web page and for having the class others lack in asking for consent beforehand. __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

02-24-2004, 04:13 PM	#37
frozenrope9190 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Aurora, Illinois Posts: 57	Alan Thicke: The Ultimate Canadian. Anne Murray: The Ultimate Canadian with Breasts. __________________ Owner - Arizona Discotheques of the FOBL

02-24-2004, 11:10 AM	#22
Subby Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 375	Jesus - I was just kidding about the three-legged pig. Your story was poignant and tender nonetheless. Regardless...don't send me anymore PMs.

02-24-2004, 12:51 PM	#31
wignasty Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 8	FOBL has gone soft

02-24-2004, 01:01 PM	#32
Rainey Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 138	It is so easy to hide behind a computer screen

02-24-2004, 01:33 PM	#35
Subby Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 375	This all could have been avoided if our Commish wasn't Canadian.

02-24-2004, 04:19 PM	#38
ImpossibleDream Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 18	Wow. You stay home sick from work one day and browse the OOTP boards ... and look what you find! I appreciate the guidance I got from both Simms and LivnLegend with regards to the web design. The page is still a work in progress, and I very well may need to contact either of them again for help. I hope I can continue to do so. Both leagues have excellent pages devoted to them, and no doubt a great group of owners. -Travis

02-24-2004, 04:27 PM	#39
bostonbaseball86 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 128	this is fun

02-24-2004, 04:50 PM	#40
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	I like you FOBL guys no matter what Cusefan says about you.