Shoeless Joe

Mike D · 02-11-2004, 03:33 AM

I'm doing my first Historical league, and I had a question for everybody who has done one. I started in 1901 and am up to 1915. I'm using Ankit's DB, and Shoeless Joe has become a monster. I'm wondering has anyone else seen somebody who has had a great beginning to their career. Now keep in mind, these are his stats after his first 5 years.

G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
158 612 231 34 8 6 94 100 78 87 26 15 .377 .448 .489 .936
158 636 230 26 12 6 89 108 63 48 23 14 .362 .419 .469 .888
161 644 238 39 13 5 84 111 61 56 22 17 .370 .424 .494 .918
148 575 224 29 8 2 69 85 75 43 26 12 .390 .460 .478 .938
147 558 236 35 13 5 91 121 77 41 24 17 .423 .496 .559 1.055

He's won the Nap Lajoie award all 5years (MVP)

So, anyone else have an outstanding 5 early years?

Quick edit to now include 1915 total stats, his best year yet.

Chappy · 02-11-2004, 10:32 AM

Code:

  G  AB   H 2B 3B HR RBI   R BB  K SB CS  AVG  OBP  SLG   OPS
158 612 231 34  8  6  94 100 78 87 26 15 .377 .448 .489  .936 
158 636 230 26 12  6  89 108 63 48 23 14 .362 .419 .469  .888 
161 644 238 39 13  5  84 111 61 56 22 17 .370 .424 .494  .918 
148 575 224 29  8  2  69  85 75 43 26 12 .390 .460 .478  .938 
147 558 236 35 13  5  91 121 77 41 24 17 .423 .496 .559 1.055

I fixed that for ya!

Man, at that pace he'll reach 3000 hits at a very young age. I've never done a replay with real players, but in my current solo league (which is in it's 10th or 11th year) I've got an outfielder named Jason Jackson (Joe's great, great, great grandson?) who is averaging 200 hits a year through 5 seasons. The remarkable thing about Jackson isn't his power (he hits about 30 doubles and 10 homers a season) but his OBP. He's walking 80-100 times a year and has posted a .500 OBP for the season on more than one occasion. I'll post his stats when I get home.

woody5254 · 02-11-2004, 11:28 AM

I have had Jackson do some great things in my leagues, but he usually takes a season or two to warm up. I'll have to see how he does in my Uniform history league when I get there. Maybe he will turn into a power hitter

metsgeek · 02-11-2004, 01:03 PM

I've seen similar things with Joe, but remember, you're using a 162 game season, as opposed to 154 (along with a couple 140 game seasons). Many of his totals will be magnified by +10%

This Is Not Here · 02-11-2004, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by metsgeek
I've seen similar things with Joe, but remember, you're using a 162 game season, as opposed to 154 (along with a couple 140 game seasons). Many of his totals will be magnified by +10%

His power numbers will be 10% higher, but the extra games makes his batting average even more remarkable.

John P. Yuda · 02-11-2004, 04:10 PM

Noteworthy, though, is that his two highest batting averages came in the two seasons he played the least games.

I don't argue whether he's putting up great numbers; he is. I'd like to see where he stands amongst the league leaders each season, though. Get a feel for the league in general.

congobeast · 02-11-2004, 04:19 PM

Even nicer will be seeing him play past 1921.

/what could have been

Carlton · 02-11-2004, 08:28 PM

Looks like Nap Lajoie

Code:

 Year Age Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS XR OWS 
1898 23 PHI     147 608 113 197 43 11 6 127 25 0 21 0 .324 .347 .461 .807 91.7   
1899 24 PHI     77 312 70 118 19 9 6 70 13 0 12 0 .378 .401 .554 .956 61.5   
1900 25 PHI   102 451 95 152 33 12 7 92 22 0 10 0 .337 .351 .510 .861 75.0   
1901 26 PHA AL   133 531 113 229 60 12 9 101 58 16 29 47 .431 .471 .640 1.111 133.0 29.2 
1902 27 CLE AL   147 589 119 231 59 8 15 90 56 16 36 34 .392 .439 .596 1.035 131.8 36.7 
1903 28 CLE AL   146 593 110 218 50 9 8 78 58 11 31 37 .368 .403 .523 .926 111.3 34.5 
1904 29 CLE AL   141 549 98 203 38 6 6 64 49 15 29 43 .370 .413 .494 .907 100.1 37.7 
1905 30 CLE AL   141 550 94 188 48 10 12 81 54 10 34 26 .342 .387 .531 .917 102.3 35.0 
1906 31 CLE AL   145 572 101 213 46 11 9 104 57 15 41 50 .372 .424 .538 .962 115.7 37.8 
1907 32 CLE AL   148 596 105 202 37 10 9 78 60 9 38 56 .339 .387 .480 .867 107.3 29.8 
7 Years Sim     1001 3980 740 1484 338 66 68 596 392 92 238 293 .373 .417 .542 .960 801.5 240.6 
10 Years Pro    1327 5351 1018 1951 433 98 87 885 452 92 281 293 .365 .396 .531 .927 1029.7   
162 Game Average 644 119 240 54 10 11 96 63 14 38 47 .373 .417 .542 .960 129.7   
Career Highs 148 596 119 231 60 12 15 104 60 16 41 56 .431 .471 .640 1.111 133.0

02-11-2004, 03:33 AM	#1
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	Shoeless Joe I'm doing my first Historical league, and I had a question for everybody who has done one. I started in 1901 and am up to 1915. I'm using Ankit's DB, and Shoeless Joe has become a monster. I'm wondering has anyone else seen somebody who has had a great beginning to their career. Now keep in mind, these are his stats after his first 5 years. G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS 158 612 231 34 8 6 94 100 78 87 26 15 .377 .448 .489 .936 158 636 230 26 12 6 89 108 63 48 23 14 .362 .419 .469 .888 161 644 238 39 13 5 84 111 61 56 22 17 .370 .424 .494 .918 148 575 224 29 8 2 69 85 75 43 26 12 .390 .460 .478 .938 147 558 236 35 13 5 91 121 77 41 24 17 .423 .496 .559 1.055 He's won the Nap Lajoie award all 5years (MVP) So, anyone else have an outstanding 5 early years? Quick edit to now include 1915 total stats, his best year yet. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan. Last edited by Mike D; 02-11-2004 at 04:06 AM.

02-11-2004, 10:32 AM	#2
Chappy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,721	Code: G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI R BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS 158 612 231 34 8 6 94 100 78 87 26 15 .377 .448 .489 .936 158 636 230 26 12 6 89 108 63 48 23 14 .362 .419 .469 .888 161 644 238 39 13 5 84 111 61 56 22 17 .370 .424 .494 .918 148 575 224 29 8 2 69 85 75 43 26 12 .390 .460 .478 .938 147 558 236 35 13 5 91 121 77 41 24 17 .423 .496 .559 1.055 I fixed that for ya! Man, at that pace he'll reach 3000 hits at a very young age. I've never done a replay with real players, but in my current solo league (which is in it's 10th or 11th year) I've got an outfielder named Jason Jackson (Joe's great, great, great grandson?) who is averaging 200 hits a year through 5 seasons. The remarkable thing about Jackson isn't his power (he hits about 30 doubles and 10 homers a season) but his OBP. He's walking 80-100 times a year and has posted a .500 OBP for the season on more than one occasion. I'll post his stats when I get home. __________________ NPBL - Pennsylvania Freedom AFBL - North Carolina Aviators MLB-Pro - Kansas City Royals

02-11-2004, 11:28 AM	#3
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	I have had Jackson do some great things in my leagues, but he usually takes a season or two to warm up. I'll have to see how he does in my Uniform history league when I get there. Maybe he will turn into a power hitter __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC

02-11-2004, 01:03 PM	#4
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450	I've seen similar things with Joe, but remember, you're using a 162 game season, as opposed to 154 (along with a couple 140 game seasons). Many of his totals will be magnified by +10% __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!!

02-11-2004, 04:19 PM	#7
congobeast Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 469	Even nicer will be seeing him play past 1921. /what could have been __________________ (The Boys of Summer) Cleveland Indians 1929-?? (All-Forum Baseball Dynasty) Pittsfield Hillies 2000-?? "I would walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." Pete Rose

02-11-2004, 04:10 PM	#6
John P. Yuda Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 177	Noteworthy, though, is that his two highest batting averages came in the two seasons he played the least games. I don't argue whether he's putting up great numbers; he is. I'd like to see where he stands amongst the league leaders each season, though. Get a feel for the league in general.