Historical/Lahman Question

John Marsh · 01-26-2004, 02:04 PM

I have a question and I'll just use examples to ask it.

When I import players from the Lahman database, players' talent is based on remaining career.

In 1947, Sam Dente debuted with the Boston Red Sox and hit .232, so when he appears from the Lahman database he has a "3" rating in "Hits." But since he had a career average of .252, he has an "Average" talent rating in "Hits." My question is, his rating will presumably rise at least to "4" (the lowest rating for an "Average" talent in "Hits"), but will his average gravitate towards:

(1) .252 (his career average);
(2) .237 (the lowest batting average for a "4" rating in hits);
(3) or some number between .237 and .286--since ".286" is the highest average within the range of "Average" in hits?

Similarly, Rudy York had a good year in 1946, hitting .276 and thus entering the league with a "5" rating in "Hits." 1946 was his last good year, however, and in 1947 he hit .233 and in 1948 .157. Nevertheless, his batting average for the rest of his career when he enters in 1946 is .250, which keeps his ability to get hits at an "Average." In the coming years, will York's batting average:

(1) remain at .276, since that is within the "Average" range and thus his rating will remain at "5" as well;
(2) or gravitate towards .250, and his rating drop to "4?"

I suppose the question applies for prospects as well. In 1946, Ralph Kiner entered the league and hit 23 home runs in 502 at bats, which gives him a "6" rating in HR. However, in his remaining career, he hit 369 home runs in 5205 at bats, which would give him a "Brilliant" home run talent and a "10" rating. Barring injury or talent drops, will Kiner develop a "10" rating in HR, or an "8" since "8" is usually what "Brilliant" HR talent players achieve?

Steve Kuffrey · 01-26-2004, 02:30 PM

Player's don't necessarily follow the same career path "as real life" OR each time a historical career is begun. The best guess would be they are more likely to follow somewhat closely to their career path but no certainties.

Carlton · 01-26-2004, 02:30 PM

If you are using the original Lahman DB and not Ankit's, then players who played 3 months in their rookie campaign will come in with THOSE ratings...prime example I have seen is Ty Cobb will come in with Good rating for hits, fair for triples A for speed and E for stealing ability.

Based on his 48 games played, that is what happened, it does this even if you have "based on whole career" as the enter criteria

Eugene Church · 01-29-2004, 11:58 PM

Get Ankit's Career Average Database.

Import the players in their rookie season.
(If you don't import them as rookies, then the real Major Leagues career stats will be listed on the Player's HTML Report along with the OOTP stats, which really screws up the player's career leader stats, too).

Check their ratings to see if they match the career averages.

If not, then select the next year until they do match the player's career averages.

I think Ankit will requires some adjustments in player ratings, but far less than the Lahman, which assigns many ratings randomly and are not base on the player's real stats.

Keep in mind, that in the Career Mode, a player may develop differently from his MLB career.

01-26-2004, 02:04 PM	#1
John Marsh Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 19	Historical/Lahman Question I have a question and I'll just use examples to ask it. When I import players from the Lahman database, players' talent is based on remaining career. In 1947, Sam Dente debuted with the Boston Red Sox and hit .232, so when he appears from the Lahman database he has a "3" rating in "Hits." But since he had a career average of .252, he has an "Average" talent rating in "Hits." My question is, his rating will presumably rise at least to "4" (the lowest rating for an "Average" talent in "Hits"), but will his average gravitate towards: (1) .252 (his career average); (2) .237 (the lowest batting average for a "4" rating in hits); (3) or some number between .237 and .286--since ".286" is the highest average within the range of "Average" in hits? Similarly, Rudy York had a good year in 1946, hitting .276 and thus entering the league with a "5" rating in "Hits." 1946 was his last good year, however, and in 1947 he hit .233 and in 1948 .157. Nevertheless, his batting average for the rest of his career when he enters in 1946 is .250, which keeps his ability to get hits at an "Average." In the coming years, will York's batting average: (1) remain at .276, since that is within the "Average" range and thus his rating will remain at "5" as well; (2) or gravitate towards .250, and his rating drop to "4?" I suppose the question applies for prospects as well. In 1946, Ralph Kiner entered the league and hit 23 home runs in 502 at bats, which gives him a "6" rating in HR. However, in his remaining career, he hit 369 home runs in 5205 at bats, which would give him a "Brilliant" home run talent and a "10" rating. Barring injury or talent drops, will Kiner develop a "10" rating in HR, or an "8" since "8" is usually what "Brilliant" HR talent players achieve?

01-26-2004, 02:30 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Player's don't necessarily follow the same career path "as real life" OR each time a historical career is begun. The best guess would be they are more likely to follow somewhat closely to their career path but no certainties. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

01-26-2004, 02:30 PM	#3
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	If you are using the original Lahman DB and not Ankit's, then players who played 3 months in their rookie campaign will come in with THOSE ratings...prime example I have seen is Ty Cobb will come in with Good rating for hits, fair for triples A for speed and E for stealing ability. Based on his 48 games played, that is what happened, it does this even if you have "based on whole career" as the enter criteria __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

01-29-2004, 11:58 PM	#4
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36,264	Get Ankit's Career Average Database. Import the players in their rookie season. (If you don't import them as rookies, then the real Major Leagues career stats will be listed on the Player's HTML Report along with the OOTP stats, which really screws up the player's career leader stats, too). Check their ratings to see if they match the career averages. If not, then select the next year until they do match the player's career averages. I think Ankit will requires some adjustments in player ratings, but far less than the Lahman, which assigns many ratings randomly and are not base on the player's real stats. Keep in mind, that in the Career Mode, a player may develop differently from his MLB career.