Historical Leagues

the bogeiman · 01-15-2004, 10:09 PM

Okay I'm a glutton for punishment. I started a league in 1901 and imported it into ITP. I adjusted the settings in OOTP before importing the league. The first couple of years everything looks great then by year 5 nobody can bat over .300 and pitchers have 400-600 k's.

So I try it again. I copy the the league from ITP to OOTP so I can adjust the totals in the advance setup screen, same result. By 1905 pitchers finish with 400+ k's and in 1906 one gets 600.

So now I try running just in OOTP. The all the numbers come out pretty close. I never have a pitcher with 400+ k's, 397 was the closest. After doing this test I see where my adjustments are off but not to the tune of 200 k's per individual.

My question is, is there a difference in how the players develope in OOTP compared to ITP, and does it pay to even try to play anything before 1970. I have played starting in 1977 and eveything seemed to work fine and I didn't see any anomolies in the stats.

Nukester · 01-15-2004, 11:44 PM

One thing to remember is that ITP will still create fictional players to fill the minor league rosters for all teams, mixing them with the real players (they will be in the ammy drafts along with the real players also). The problem may lie in the fact that no matter what year/era you are playing in, those fictional players are created using a "modern player" standard, and those players are probably running rampant in your league. If you check the leaderboards, are most of them fictional guys ?

the bogeiman · 01-16-2004, 07:27 PM

There were a few, but the top strikeout artists were Case Pattin, Christy Mathewson, Noodles Hahn real pitchers. The one problem that I saw in my adjustments was the fact that 1901-1904 were 140 game seasons. Starting in 1905 the leagues went to 154 games. I have to check to see if my adjustments take into account a 10% increase in games and stats overall. I can see why my BA is low but not why strikeouts are high, from what I understand the adjustment process.

01-15-2004, 10:09 PM	#1
the bogeiman Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 23	Historical Leagues Okay I'm a glutton for punishment. I started a league in 1901 and imported it into ITP. I adjusted the settings in OOTP before importing the league. The first couple of years everything looks great then by year 5 nobody can bat over .300 and pitchers have 400-600 k's. So I try it again. I copy the the league from ITP to OOTP so I can adjust the totals in the advance setup screen, same result. By 1905 pitchers finish with 400+ k's and in 1906 one gets 600. So now I try running just in OOTP. The all the numbers come out pretty close. I never have a pitcher with 400+ k's, 397 was the closest. After doing this test I see where my adjustments are off but not to the tune of 200 k's per individual. My question is, is there a difference in how the players develope in OOTP compared to ITP, and does it pay to even try to play anything before 1970. I have played starting in 1977 and eveything seemed to work fine and I didn't see any anomolies in the stats.

01-15-2004, 11:44 PM	#2
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,923	One thing to remember is that ITP will still create fictional players to fill the minor league rosters for all teams, mixing them with the real players (they will be in the ammy drafts along with the real players also). The problem may lie in the fact that no matter what year/era you are playing in, those fictional players are created using a "modern player" standard, and those players are probably running rampant in your league. If you check the leaderboards, are most of them fictional guys ?

01-16-2004, 07:27 PM	#3
the bogeiman Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 23	There were a few, but the top strikeout artists were Case Pattin, Christy Mathewson, Noodles Hahn real pitchers. The one problem that I saw in my adjustments was the fact that 1901-1904 were 140 game seasons. Starting in 1905 the leagues went to 154 games. I have to check to see if my adjustments take into account a 10% increase in games and stats overall. I can see why my BA is low but not why strikeouts are high, from what I understand the adjustment process.