So how did a German guy do this anyway?

Puckett guy · 04-03-2002, 05:07 PM

I apologize if this has been discussed before, but one thing that amazes me, is that OOTP came from the mind of a German. That is not meant to be an ethnic slur (many of my ancestors were German), but I think in Germany you would be hard pressed to find anyone who knew anything about baseball. I might be off on this, but we have a German foreign exchange student with us this year and she assures me that they know baseball like we know cricket.

It took much more than good programming skills to put this sim together. Anyway Markus, thanks for your sim of our sport, I'm having a blast.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-03-2002, 05:12 PM

He is very passionate and very skillful. An extremely gifted programmer, very quick and creative. He's gotten alot of good ideas and input.

PLG · 04-03-2002, 06:00 PM

Not only Americans can do miracles.

Frank55 · 04-03-2002, 06:28 PM

I was wondering the same thing Puckett.
Do Germans have MLB games on Tv?

Draft Dodger · 04-03-2002, 07:21 PM

GERMAN?

I always thought he was being described as germane

majormet · 04-03-2002, 07:23 PM

Well Rob Belloir the great Atlanta Braves second baseman was born in Germany but I thought it was all soccer over in Germany. I am partly of German descent so I kid humorously.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-03-2002, 07:24 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Frank55:
I was wondering the same thing Puckett.
Do Germans have MLB games on Tv?<hr></blockquote>

Yeah, usually gets a game or so a week.

BasicGuy · 04-03-2002, 08:12 PM

I hope there not Expo or Marlins games

might as well get Triple A games then

Just Kidding

Brad

ep1213 · 04-04-2002, 07:15 AM

I was born and raised in Germany. In 1979 (I was ten) we moved back to my parents home coutry, Bosnia. I lived in Germany again from 1993-1996. You could not really watch baseball in either one of those countries. The exception was the World Series which was usually carried live on some channel (which meant a sleepless night).
So even though I did not really have a chance to follow baseball regularly, I learned the rules by playing a C64 baseball game. I was interested ever since. Immigrating to the USA in 1996 made following baseball much easier. It helps to live in a baseball crazy town. I could also tell you about all the free tickets that I got from Mark McGwire during his 1998 record HR season, but that should be another topic. :-)
I always joke that in order to become a US citizen you should know the baseball rules in general and the infield-fly rule in particular. :-)
I understand that many Americans would not pass this test.

A baseball crazy Bosnian.

Scott Vibert · 04-04-2002, 07:20 AM

[quote]Originally posted by ep1213:

I always joke that in order to become a US citizen you should know the baseball rules in general and the infield-fly rule in particular. :-)
I understand that many Americans would not pass this test.

<hr></blockquote>

I would.

Lamorak · 04-04-2002, 07:45 AM

This remind me of those bad B-grade war movies where the nightwatch would challenge asking "who goes there" and if they didn't know the right password, would test to see if they were really Americans.

"If you're American then; Who won the last world series???!!!"

"If you're American then; If there is a runner on first base with less than 2 outs...."

Malleus Dei · 04-08-2002, 03:49 AM

Respect the Germans, boys: 80 million Germans (including my step-father) almost conquered the world once.

Markus Heinsohn · 04-08-2002, 04:22 AM

We get about 2 games per week live on TV, usually ESPN Sunday and Wednesday Night games.

I have been following MLB since 1995, and actually the first year I ever heard about baseball was in 1994 when a friend of mine brought a bat and a glove from his vaction in Florida. We started to play a little and I was addicted immediately. Well, that's how it all began!

Bagpipes5 · 04-08-2002, 04:39 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Malleus Dei:
Respect the Germans, boys: 80 million Germans (including my step-father) almost conquered the world once.<hr /></blockquote>I respect the Germans although I do not respect the manner in which they almost conquered the world.

Besides, the ole US of A was there to swat them down anyway. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Puckett guy · 04-08-2002, 06:00 AM

I didn't start this topic with any intent or desire that it would sink to nationalistic comments about WWI, WWII or any other war for that matter. If you guys want to discuss armed warfare I am sure there is a Board somewhere else that would be more appropriate.

I only brought this topic up because of how impressed I am with OOTP4, especially knowing that it was created by a person who grew up in a country where baseball is hardly the national past time. Even if I had the programming skills of Markus, I could not imagine how hard it would be to create a realistic simulation of German soccer that was loved by sophisticated German football fans.

Danke, Markus.

Cooleyvol · 04-08-2002, 06:13 AM

I agree. Let's keep the WW references out of this thread.

Night2000 · 04-08-2002, 06:47 AM

When OOTP1 came out and I heard that the creator was from Germany, I was pretty surprised. Now I see Markus, as just Markus. A Great guy, and Great programmer! He knows more about baseball, then many here born in the States. He even sent me a "Yo" once. For a minute, I thought he was from Brooklyn.

ep1213 · 04-08-2002, 07:23 AM

Well said, Puckett guy.

Malleus Dei · 04-08-2002, 07:55 AM

Sorry, but history is history.

Besides my step-father being one of the 80 million, my German-born great-uncle was under house arrest in the US during both world wars as a security risk.

Draft Dodger · 04-08-2002, 08:28 AM

history is history, but that doesn't mean this is the forum to discuss it.

04-03-2002, 05:07 PM	#1
Puckett guy Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Near Lake Wobegone Posts: 306	So how did a German guy do this anyway? I apologize if this has been discussed before, but one thing that amazes me, is that OOTP came from the mind of a German. That is not meant to be an ethnic slur (many of my ancestors were German), but I think in Germany you would be hard pressed to find anyone who knew anything about baseball. I might be off on this, but we have a German foreign exchange student with us this year and she assures me that they know baseball like we know cricket. It took much more than good programming skills to put this sim together. Anyway Markus, thanks for your sim of our sport, I'm having a blast. __________________ "...and we'll see you tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, October 26, 1991, HHH Metrodome, Mpls, MN

04-03-2002, 05:12 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	He is very passionate and very skillful. An extremely gifted programmer, very quick and creative. He's gotten alot of good ideas and input. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-03-2002, 06:00 PM	#3
PLG All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montréal, Canada Posts: 640	Not only Americans can do miracles. __________________ Pierre pierrepage30@hotmail.com If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

04-03-2002, 07:21 PM	#5
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	GERMAN? I always thought he was being described as germane __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

04-03-2002, 07:24 PM	#7
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	[quote]Originally posted by Frank55: <strong>I was wondering the same thing Puckett. Do Germans have MLB games on Tv?</strong><hr></blockquote> Yeah, usually gets a game or so a week. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-03-2002, 06:28 PM	#4
Frank55 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 30	I was wondering the same thing Puckett. Do Germans have MLB games on Tv?

04-03-2002, 07:23 PM	#6
majormet Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,536	Well Rob Belloir the great Atlanta Braves second baseman was born in Germany but I thought it was all soccer over in Germany. I am partly of German descent so I kid humorously.

04-03-2002, 08:12 PM	#8
BasicGuy Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ND Posts: 478	I hope there not Expo or Marlins games might as well get Triple A games then Just Kidding Brad

04-04-2002, 07:15 AM	#9
ep1213 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 20	I was born and raised in Germany. In 1979 (I was ten) we moved back to my parents home coutry, Bosnia. I lived in Germany again from 1993-1996. You could not really watch baseball in either one of those countries. The exception was the World Series which was usually carried live on some channel (which meant a sleepless night). So even though I did not really have a chance to follow baseball regularly, I learned the rules by playing a C64 baseball game. I was interested ever since. Immigrating to the USA in 1996 made following baseball much easier. It helps to live in a baseball crazy town. I could also tell you about all the free tickets that I got from Mark McGwire during his 1998 record HR season, but that should be another topic. :-) I always joke that in order to become a US citizen you should know the baseball rules in general and the infield-fly rule in particular. :-) I understand that many Americans would not pass this test. A baseball crazy Bosnian.

04-04-2002, 07:20 AM	#10
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	[quote]Originally posted by ep1213: <strong> I always joke that in order to become a US citizen you should know the baseball rules in general and the infield-fly rule in particular. :-) I understand that many Americans would not pass this test. </strong><hr></blockquote> I would.

04-04-2002, 07:45 AM	#11
Lamorak Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 195	This remind me of those bad B-grade war movies where the nightwatch would challenge asking "who goes there" and if they didn't know the right password, would test to see if they were really Americans. "If you're American then; Who won the last world series???!!!" "If you're American then; If there is a runner on first base with less than 2 outs...."

04-08-2002, 04:22 AM	#13
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	We get about 2 games per week live on TV, usually ESPN Sunday and Wednesday Night games. I have been following MLB since 1995, and actually the first year I ever heard about baseball was in 1994 when a friend of mine brought a bat and a glove from his vaction in Florida. We started to play a little and I was addicted immediately. Well, that's how it all began! __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

04-08-2002, 04:39 AM	#14
Bagpipes5 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: TX Posts: 501	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Malleus Dei: <strong>Respect the Germans, boys: 80 million Germans (including my step-father) almost conquered the world once.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I respect the Germans although I do not respect the manner in which they almost conquered the world. Besides, the ole US of A was there to swat them down anyway. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

04-08-2002, 06:00 AM	#15
Puckett guy Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Near Lake Wobegone Posts: 306	I didn't start this topic with any intent or desire that it would sink to nationalistic comments about WWI, WWII or any other war for that matter. If you guys want to discuss armed warfare I am sure there is a Board somewhere else that would be more appropriate. I only brought this topic up because of how impressed I am with OOTP4, especially knowing that it was created by a person who grew up in a country where baseball is hardly the national past time. Even if I had the programming skills of Markus, I could not imagine how hard it would be to create a realistic simulation of German soccer that was loved by sophisticated German football fans. Danke, Markus. __________________ "...and we'll see you tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, October 26, 1991, HHH Metrodome, Mpls, MN

04-08-2002, 06:13 AM	#16
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	I agree. Let's keep the WW references out of this thread.

04-08-2002, 06:47 AM	#17
Night2000 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Monroe, NJ Posts: 716	When OOTP1 came out and I heard that the creator was from Germany, I was pretty surprised. Now I see Markus, as just Markus. A Great guy, and Great programmer! He knows more about baseball, then many here born in the States. He even sent me a "Yo" once. For a minute, I thought he was from Brooklyn. __________________ http://night2000.blogspot.com/ This post has the Al Bundy and Homer Simpson stamp of approval!

04-08-2002, 07:23 AM	#18
ep1213 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 20	Well said, Puckett guy.

04-08-2002, 08:28 AM	#20
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	history is history, but that doesn't mean this is the forum to discuss it. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.