OOTP4 - confessions of an old timer

Puckett guy · 03-06-2002, 01:25 PM

I am brand new to this Board, but a real golden oldie when it comes to simulating baseball games. I'm sure I was shaking APBA dice long before most of you were you. If you don't know what "APBA dice" are then you certainly weren't "simulating" baseball games back in the 60's and 70's.

In its day the APBA board game was one of the best simulations of baseball that you could find, in fact the last time I looked, a copy of the game had a small place in the Baseball Hall of Fame building. The game was very addictive and very time-consuming. (Sound familiar?).

Anyway, back in those days we dreamed about a machine that would help us run our leagues, keep track of our lineups, player stats, etc, but still allow us to create the type of game that we wanted. Well, eventually some folks invented the machine we needed and called it a "computer". So I bought a computer, telling my wife I could balance the checkbook with this thing, but secretly thinking this will be great to use for that new baseball game program that I see advertised.

In the following years I'm sure that I bought and tried just about every baseball game that was made for the PC. Starting with Earl Weaver Baseball and continuing right on through High Heat 2000whatever. Some of these games were fun for awhile, others were a total waste of time and money.

It wasn't until OOTP4 came along that I could truly say that I was playing the game on the machine that my buddies and I had dreamed about more years ago then I am willing to admit. So in a line Markus, thanks for making a very old ball simmer quite happy.

(Sorry about the long post, but this was my way to say hello to ythe community. From now on I'll stick with present day comments and questions.)

kmb69 · 03-06-2002, 01:32 PM

Its just awesome to hear some stories of people like you............Im new here,but welcome anyways

Rich Tiger Fan · 03-06-2002, 01:35 PM

Well I am a little behind you...but for me and my brothers and friends it was STATIS PRO BASEBALL by Avalon hill...This game was awesome...we wasted hours of our youth playing this game....

***and we too always dreamt of a machine or game such as OOTP4...and it is finally here....and I love it...My wife doesn't like it so much..."

anyhow Markus and all the development team keep up the great...this game has a great future...

Hey and ROLEN if you read this post great job on the roster set..The Phillies went to the series in my first season...I grew up a big Phillies fan...Mike Schmidt is my alltime fav...unfortunatly they lost to the Red Sox...anyhow how did I get on that subject...hmmmmmm..

GForce22 · 03-06-2002, 01:37 PM

Very cool! I'm 27, but I was brought up on baseball sims very early on. First I played Statis-Pro Baseball, followed by Pursue The Pennant (which later became Diamond Mind for the PC), then APBA for Windows, before moving on to High Heat.
Statis Pro was so basic, but it was great for its day. The company that made it, Avalon Hill, used to publish a newsletter that advised you to tweaks and such. The instruction book came with a detailed formula set to develop your own cards. That was my first roster work...I think I was 12.
Now I get to do work to create rosters people all over the place use for these games. It's remarkable, and a long way from rolling dice on my desk by the bedroom window on Long Island.
Welcome aboard!

GH

BaseballMan · 03-06-2002, 01:46 PM

dont feel too old, i remember playing Earl weaver
and Avalon Hill games and im only 36. If people think thats old then they obviously never saw Nolan Ryan pitching no hitters in his forties.

Does anyone remember MicroSports "Pro League Baseball"?

Or Full Count Baseball?

GForce22 · 03-06-2002, 01:47 PM

no, but I remember Microleague Baseball.

GH

AngelsDork · 03-06-2002, 01:49 PM

I cut my teeth on Strat-o-Matic baseball (board game version) back in the early 80's. I eventually moved on to strat and statis pro for the Commodore 64. It's funny how things have changes in the last 20 years.

Nocahoma · 03-06-2002, 01:58 PM

My first baseball gaming experience was with a game who's creator escapes me (Coleco maybe?). It used player cards with a b/w photo of the player on one side and batting results numbered
2-12 on the other. Play was started by the "pitcher" choosing his pitch and the "batter" trying to guess it. If the "batter" guessed correctly dice would be rolled for the results. Of course rocket scientist Nocahoma here let all of the cards (save one, Jim Hardin of all people) get away over time. Was great fun though. I also remember playing football games with the insert cards in Topps Football packs in the late 60's (LOVED drawing that Johnny Unitis card -- FIRST DOWN!)

BaseballMan · 03-06-2002, 02:15 PM

[quote]Originally posted by GForce22:
<strong>no, but I remember Microleague Baseball.

GH</strong><hr></blockquote>

i thought they bought Microsports Pro League Baseball in like 95 and merged. I never heard from either after 95.

Killebrew · 03-06-2002, 02:25 PM

I recall the SOM versus APBA crowds at our libraries game room (library game rooms are probably a relic of the '70's). I watched people play them both and though I bought 1 SOM set I decided to invest fully in APBA to keep up a long family tradition. I can still sort my rotation and batting order inunder a minute holding the 25 cards (plus 4 XY cards) in just one hand.

I did replay seasons 1st but I found I lost interest in that method of play by the end of both replay years. Then I started the upstart 'Extra Card League' (later known as NAPBA) using retired players and rookies who were no longer on the MLB rosters. I also played in a MLB style league (25 game schedule) with some pals but the extra card league was always my fave and it lasted about 9 real time years.

The mega star hitters of the league were guys like Jack Pierce, John Summers, Bob Sheldon, Larry Lintz, John Knox, Billy Baldwin, Buddy Bradford, Jerry Hairston (Sr.), Boog Powell and of course Harmon Killebrew. The Cy Young hurlers were Erich Raich, Fernando Arroyo (he could not lose), Joe McIntosh, Rick Baldwin, and Lerrin LaGrow. Many of these guys I had never heard of before so it was natural for me to gravitate toward fictional OOTP play. It's the closest I have come to those card leagues where your imagination gradually created a personality for each unknown player. Soon these players were not unknown at all - they were as big as any "real" MLB players. Oh yeah, & no more hand calculations either.

Wilson · 03-06-2002, 02:36 PM

I can remember twenty plus years ago inventing our version of baseball with Topps cards, dice, a pencil and lots of paper. Later it got complicated enough that we had to upgrade to a calculator. It doesn't seem that long ago. It might have been primitive, but its the best we could do on days too cold or rainy to go out and play the real thing. Its great to see how many people still have a passion for baseball.

IatricSB · 03-06-2002, 02:46 PM

For me it was Sports Illustrated Baseball. You had one team per page with hitters on one side and pitchers on the other. The season we played was 1971 (we played in 1972). I couldn't find the game anywhere in the stores, so my dad made xerox copies of my friends sheets (early piracy... Ouch, but then I would have bought it or I should say my parents would have bought it if I could have found it). The boxes were green for hits and red for outs and when my dad made copies, you couldn't read the results from the boxes that were red, so I had to hand write them in. Later, the same game became a bookcase game called Superstar Baseball. It used three dice with the 10's dice have three 3'2, two two's and 1 one, so it was easier to roll 30 than 10. The other two dice were added together to get the rest of the number and resulted in 0 to 9. The two dice had odd numbers... one went from 0 to 5 and the other went from 0 to 4 and had to 0's on it.

From there, it was stratomatic, APBA, and I've seen or played all the others: Microleague Baseball, Full Count, Earl Weaver and one of my favorites, Radio Baseball which I still have. Great stuff, but all eclipsed by the ultimate game.... OOTP.

Draft Dodger · 03-06-2002, 03:03 PM

it was Microleague for me.

I used to have DL's and a minor league roster for each team, and followed the major league schedule. Never got much farther than a few months into a season (when it takes 30 minutes to sim...), but it was still a blast.

Still probably the game I've logged the most hours on over the years....

Modern Relic · 03-06-2002, 03:15 PM

My first was a primitive PC text sim called "Radio Baseball". It came with a set of World Series winners, and some random teams, as well as an All Time Greats set.

It ran off a floppy disk, and I remember you could always tell by the sound of the floppy drive if there was a walk or strikeout coming.

mikeyfr · 03-06-2002, 03:33 PM

I remember our APBA game arriving in June of 1963 just as I was about to leave on an 8th grade graduation trip with my aunt. I almost didn't want to go but a trip to Colorado and the Rocky Mountains was pretty exciting too. I played that game literally thousands of hours. I was just looking at my APBA cards stashed away in the garage the other day. As many of you, I have also owned and played the whole gamut of baseball games since. I am much looking forward to OOTP4 as a diversion from my current stock market obsession.

p.s. I always loved the little players on Microleague baseball on my Commodore 64.

Dagrims · 03-06-2002, 03:36 PM

I like this 'thread down memory lane'. It's great to be able to listen to others' memories of their favorite baseball games. I've played a ton of different games including:

Statis Pro

All-Star Baseball - that was when 'disk' meant the players...put them into the spinner

Stratomatic - played this the longest, nearly continuously in one form or another since 1976

Earl Weaver

Microleague - worked for them as a beta tester and statistic entry guy when I was a senior in college in 1991. Even though I earned just $5 an hour, it was probably one of the best two or three jobs I've ever had.

Pursue The Pennant

ESPN Baseball Tonight - without a doubt the absolute worst computer baseball game I've ever played - I think I returned it after two days

Countless years and versions of Rotisserie/fantasy baseball

Baseball Mogul

and now of course OOTP

I would have loved to be a color man for a baseball team, or a statistician.

Chris

Da Varmint · 03-07-2002, 04:45 AM

Ahhh, All Star Baseball. Fastball Middle + Middle Swing = Home Run. And the game even featured the first "checkerboard" playing field I ever saw. Many a summer day in the 1970s was spent in the neighbor's garage, trying to hit a screamer into the gap so you could roll the dice and run all day.

Thanks for the memories.

MizzouRah · 03-07-2002, 05:14 AM

Darn,

I thought you were announcing a new HBO series!

Todd

Granny Hamner · 03-07-2002, 05:19 AM

Ok, how many remember these oldtimers?

Sher-Co Baseball -- 28 x 28 grid where you could position all of your fielders and replicate ballparks. Came with the detail of its rating system so you could create rosters. I still remember the formula -- Barry Bonds 2001 would be a A24++, I think. Many people (including me) even built cardboard versions of ballparks to use with the game.

Bill Rigney's Baseball Challenge -- a slicker version of Sher-Co, which a grid field. But this is the only board game I've ever seen with a PITCH BY PITCH option. It took about 5 hours to play one game.

Statis Pro and Strat were also among my collection. During the 81 strike Avalon Hill sent out cards for the Japanese League in its newsletter. I remember managing the Kintetsu Buffaloes.

And I even liked AllStar Baseball (the discs and spinners game), where a pitcher's only value was how he hit! HA!

Ignatius J · 03-07-2002, 05:30 AM

Man... I see a lot of old games here but not a lot of Pursue the Pennant... the ultimate (well, I guess Dynasty League would be now)in baseball board gaming. It had the stadiums that fit inside the box, stadium effects, wild plays, and realism that was uncanny. I played 3 full seasons of PTP, San Fran 88', Toronto 90' and Minnesota 91' all of which were fantastic. I remember when Tom Browning threw a no-hitter against my Giants, and when my Twins (just like real life) took the series. I have both of those scorecards framed. I'm a bit of a strange guy when it comes to that. My girlfriend asked me why I insist on hanging them where ever I live (I'm a 22 year old college student, so I've lived in 5 different places in the last five years) and I really can't explain it. Anyway.. I love to hear these stories! Keep em coming!

03-06-2002, 01:25 PM	#1
Puckett guy Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Near Lake Wobegone Posts: 306	OOTP4 - confessions of an old timer I am brand new to this Board, but a real golden oldie when it comes to simulating baseball games. I'm sure I was shaking APBA dice long before most of you were you. If you don't know what "APBA dice" are then you certainly weren't "simulating" baseball games back in the 60's and 70's. In its day the APBA board game was one of the best simulations of baseball that you could find, in fact the last time I looked, a copy of the game had a small place in the Baseball Hall of Fame building. The game was very addictive and very time-consuming. (Sound familiar?). Anyway, back in those days we dreamed about a machine that would help us run our leagues, keep track of our lineups, player stats, etc, but still allow us to create the type of game that we wanted. Well, eventually some folks invented the machine we needed and called it a "computer". So I bought a computer, telling my wife I could balance the checkbook with this thing, but secretly thinking this will be great to use for that new baseball game program that I see advertised. In the following years I'm sure that I bought and tried just about every baseball game that was made for the PC. Starting with Earl Weaver Baseball and continuing right on through High Heat 2000whatever. Some of these games were fun for awhile, others were a total waste of time and money. It wasn't until OOTP4 came along that I could truly say that I was playing the game on the machine that my buddies and I had dreamed about more years ago then I am willing to admit. So in a line Markus, thanks for making a very old ball simmer quite happy. (Sorry about the long post, but this was my way to say hello to ythe community. From now on I'll stick with present day comments and questions.) __________________ "...and we'll see you tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, October 26, 1991, HHH Metrodome, Mpls, MN

03-06-2002, 01:35 PM	#3
Rich Tiger Fan Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wayne,MI Posts: 482	Well I am a little behind you...but for me and my brothers and friends it was STATIS PRO BASEBALL by Avalon hill...This game was awesome...we wasted hours of our youth playing this game.... ***and we too always dreamt of a machine or game such as OOTP4...and it is finally here....and I love it...My wife doesn't like it so much..." anyhow Markus and all the development team keep up the great...this game has a great future... Hey and ROLEN if you read this post great job on the roster set..The Phillies went to the series in my first season...I grew up a big Phillies fan...Mike Schmidt is my alltime fav...unfortunatly they lost to the Red Sox...anyhow how did I get on that subject...hmmmmmm.. __________________ Crystalis Robins 1904 LBA Champs

03-06-2002, 01:58 PM	#8
Nocahoma Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hokes Bluff, Alabama Posts: 21	My first baseball gaming experience was with a game who's creator escapes me (Coleco maybe?). It used player cards with a b/w photo of the player on one side and batting results numbered 2-12 on the other. Play was started by the "pitcher" choosing his pitch and the "batter" trying to guess it. If the "batter" guessed correctly dice would be rolled for the results. Of course rocket scientist Nocahoma here let all of the cards (save one, Jim Hardin of all people) get away over time. Was great fun though. I also remember playing football games with the insert cards in Topps Football packs in the late 60's (LOVED drawing that Johnny Unitis card -- FIRST DOWN!) __________________ So did you hear? The Energizer Bunny got busted on charges of battery! When the cops went after him he jumped in a white Bronco and kept going...and going....and going...

03-06-2002, 02:25 PM	#10
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	I recall the SOM versus APBA crowds at our libraries game room (library game rooms are probably a relic of the '70's). I watched people play them both and though I bought 1 SOM set I decided to invest fully in APBA to keep up a long family tradition. I can still sort my rotation and batting order inunder a minute holding the 25 cards (plus 4 XY cards) in just one hand. I did replay seasons 1st but I found I lost interest in that method of play by the end of both replay years. Then I started the upstart 'Extra Card League' (later known as NAPBA) using retired players and rookies who were no longer on the MLB rosters. I also played in a MLB style league (25 game schedule) with some pals but the extra card league was always my fave and it lasted about 9 real time years. The mega star hitters of the league were guys like Jack Pierce, John Summers, Bob Sheldon, Larry Lintz, John Knox, Billy Baldwin, Buddy Bradford, Jerry Hairston (Sr.), Boog Powell and of course Harmon Killebrew. The Cy Young hurlers were Erich Raich, Fernando Arroyo (he could not lose), Joe McIntosh, Rick Baldwin, and Lerrin LaGrow. Many of these guys I had never heard of before so it was natural for me to gravitate toward fictional OOTP play. It's the closest I have come to those card leagues where your imagination gradually created a personality for each unknown player. Soon these players were not unknown at all - they were as big as any "real" MLB players. Oh yeah, & no more hand calculations either. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

03-06-2002, 02:46 PM	#12
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	For me it was Sports Illustrated Baseball. You had one team per page with hitters on one side and pitchers on the other. The season we played was 1971 (we played in 1972). I couldn't find the game anywhere in the stores, so my dad made xerox copies of my friends sheets (early piracy... Ouch, but then I would have bought it or I should say my parents would have bought it if I could have found it). The boxes were green for hits and red for outs and when my dad made copies, you couldn't read the results from the boxes that were red, so I had to hand write them in. Later, the same game became a bookcase game called Superstar Baseball. It used three dice with the 10's dice have three 3'2, two two's and 1 one, so it was easier to roll 30 than 10. The other two dice were added together to get the rest of the number and resulted in 0 to 9. The two dice had odd numbers... one went from 0 to 5 and the other went from 0 to 4 and had to 0's on it. From there, it was stratomatic, APBA, and I've seen or played all the others: Microleague Baseball, Full Count, Earl Weaver and one of my favorites, Radio Baseball which I still have. Great stuff, but all eclipsed by the ultimate game.... OOTP. __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards

03-06-2002, 01:32 PM	#2
kmb69 Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: mashp Posts: 13	Its just awesome to hear some stories of people like you............Im new here,but welcome anyways

03-06-2002, 01:37 PM	#4
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	Very cool! I'm 27, but I was brought up on baseball sims very early on. First I played Statis-Pro Baseball, followed by Pursue The Pennant (which later became Diamond Mind for the PC), then APBA for Windows, before moving on to High Heat. Statis Pro was so basic, but it was great for its day. The company that made it, Avalon Hill, used to publish a newsletter that advised you to tweaks and such. The instruction book came with a detailed formula set to develop your own cards. That was my first roster work...I think I was 12. Now I get to do work to create rosters people all over the place use for these games. It's remarkable, and a long way from rolling dice on my desk by the bedroom window on Long Island. Welcome aboard! GH

03-06-2002, 01:46 PM	#5
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,522	dont feel too old, i remember playing Earl weaver and Avalon Hill games and im only 36. If people think thats old then they obviously never saw Nolan Ryan pitching no hitters in his forties. Does anyone remember MicroSports "Pro League Baseball"? Or Full Count Baseball?

03-06-2002, 01:47 PM	#6
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	no, but I remember Microleague Baseball. GH

03-06-2002, 01:49 PM	#7
AngelsDork Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Upland, Ca. Posts: 43	I cut my teeth on Strat-o-Matic baseball (board game version) back in the early 80's. I eventually moved on to strat and statis pro for the Commodore 64. It's funny how things have changes in the last 20 years.

03-06-2002, 02:15 PM	#9
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,522	[quote]Originally posted by GForce22: <strong>no, but I remember Microleague Baseball. GH</strong><hr></blockquote> i thought they bought Microsports Pro League Baseball in like 95 and merged. I never heard from either after 95.

03-06-2002, 02:36 PM	#11
Wilson Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Buffalo Grove, Illinois Posts: 31	I can remember twenty plus years ago inventing our version of baseball with Topps cards, dice, a pencil and lots of paper. Later it got complicated enough that we had to upgrade to a calculator. It doesn't seem that long ago. It might have been primitive, but its the best we could do on days too cold or rainy to go out and play the real thing. Its great to see how many people still have a passion for baseball.

03-06-2002, 03:03 PM	#13
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	it was Microleague for me. I used to have DL's and a minor league roster for each team, and followed the major league schedule. Never got much farther than a few months into a season (when it takes 30 minutes to sim...), but it was still a blast. Still probably the game I've logged the most hours on over the years.... __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

03-06-2002, 03:15 PM	#14
Modern Relic All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,266	My first was a primitive PC text sim called "Radio Baseball". It came with a set of World Series winners, and some random teams, as well as an All Time Greats set. It ran off a floppy disk, and I remember you could always tell by the sound of the floppy drive if there was a walk or strikeout coming. __________________ American Folklore Baseball League (closed): Commissioner/GM - Mudville Nine (ruled!) Former member of Boys of Summer: GM - St. Louis Browns (doormats!) Former member of the OTBL: GM - Gashouse Gorillas (also ruled!) "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

03-06-2002, 03:33 PM	#15
mikeyfr Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: California Posts: 3	I remember our APBA game arriving in June of 1963 just as I was about to leave on an 8th grade graduation trip with my aunt. I almost didn't want to go but a trip to Colorado and the Rocky Mountains was pretty exciting too. I played that game literally thousands of hours. I was just looking at my APBA cards stashed away in the garage the other day. As many of you, I have also owned and played the whole gamut of baseball games since. I am much looking forward to OOTP4 as a diversion from my current stock market obsession. p.s. I always loved the little players on Microleague baseball on my Commodore 64.

03-06-2002, 03:36 PM	#16
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	I like this 'thread down memory lane'. It's great to be able to listen to others' memories of their favorite baseball games. I've played a ton of different games including: Statis Pro All-Star Baseball - that was when 'disk' meant the players...put them into the spinner Stratomatic - played this the longest, nearly continuously in one form or another since 1976 Earl Weaver Microleague - worked for them as a beta tester and statistic entry guy when I was a senior in college in 1991. Even though I earned just $5 an hour, it was probably one of the best two or three jobs I've ever had. Pursue The Pennant ESPN Baseball Tonight - without a doubt the absolute worst computer baseball game I've ever played - I think I returned it after two days Countless years and versions of Rotisserie/fantasy baseball Baseball Mogul and now of course OOTP I would have loved to be a color man for a baseball team, or a statistician. Chris __________________ "Read books, get brain."

03-07-2002, 04:45 AM	#17
Da Varmint Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4	Ahhh, All Star Baseball. Fastball Middle + Middle Swing = Home Run. And the game even featured the first "checkerboard" playing field I ever saw. Many a summer day in the 1970s was spent in the neighbor's garage, trying to hit a screamer into the gap so you could roll the dice and run all day. Thanks for the memories. __________________ Baseball reminds us all of what once was good...and could be again.

03-07-2002, 05:14 AM	#18
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	Darn, I thought you were announcing a new HBO series! Todd

03-07-2002, 05:19 AM	#19
Granny Hamner Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 51	Ok, how many remember these oldtimers? Sher-Co Baseball -- 28 x 28 grid where you could position all of your fielders and replicate ballparks. Came with the detail of its rating system so you could create rosters. I still remember the formula -- Barry Bonds 2001 would be a A24++, I think. Many people (including me) even built cardboard versions of ballparks to use with the game. Bill Rigney's Baseball Challenge -- a slicker version of Sher-Co, which a grid field. But this is the only board game I've ever seen with a PITCH BY PITCH option. It took about 5 hours to play one game. Statis Pro and Strat were also among my collection. During the 81 strike Avalon Hill sent out cards for the Japanese League in its newsletter. I remember managing the Kintetsu Buffaloes. And I even liked AllStar Baseball (the discs and spinners game), where a pitcher's only value was how he hit! HA! __________________ "Q - What's it like being the smallest guy in the majors? A- It's a lot better than being the smallest guy in the minors." -- Billy Bates.

03-07-2002, 05:30 AM	#20
Ignatius J Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 76	Man... I see a lot of old games here but not a lot of Pursue the Pennant... the ultimate (well, I guess Dynasty League would be now)in baseball board gaming. It had the stadiums that fit inside the box, stadium effects, wild plays, and realism that was uncanny. I played 3 full seasons of PTP, San Fran 88', Toronto 90' and Minnesota 91' all of which were fantastic. I remember when Tom Browning threw a no-hitter against my Giants, and when my Twins (just like real life) took the series. I have both of those scorecards framed. I'm a bit of a strange guy when it comes to that. My girlfriend asked me why I insist on hanging them where ever I live (I'm a 22 year old college student, so I've lived in 5 different places in the last five years) and I really can't explain it. Anyway.. I love to hear these stories! Keep em coming!