Has there ever been a better hitters park than Coors field?

MNPhatz · 03-24-2002, 05:00 PM

. . . and if so, where could I find specs compatible w/ ootp? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Spielman · 03-24-2002, 05:02 PM

No.

Coors Field is far and away the best hitters park in the history of the majors.

-Spielman

MNPhatz · 03-24-2002, 05:04 PM

Why is it such a good park for hitters?

Seton Hall Pirate · 03-24-2002, 05:10 PM

[quote]Originally posted by MNPhatz:
Why is it such a good park for hitters?<hr></blockquote>

Good question. Believe it or not, Coors Field is the largest park in the majors, which helps out with extra-base hits more than you might realize. The thin air helps carry the ball, so there are more home runs. In addition, pitchers balls don't break as much because there is less air hitting the seams(which gives birth to the different pitches) so the hitters can hack away more easily. However, believe it or not, stolen bases are up at Coors Field as well, and if the answer to that isn't simply that more runners are getting on base, I have no explaination for it.

OOTP Rocks · 03-24-2002, 05:11 PM

[quote]Originally posted by MNPhatz:
Why is it such a good park for hitters?<hr></blockquote>

1. Thin air, allows the ball to travel further (and faster) with less resistance.

2. Thin air, prevents the ball from breaking as much on pitches.

3. Thin air

4. Coor Fields dimensions are one of the most cavernous (most open in baseball). The long fences may curb the possibility of an excessive amount of homers caused by the thin air. However, this also causes more hits to drop in, due to the fact that outfielders tend to play more back, allowing more bloop singles to drop in. Coor Field will result in much higher averages, more than anything else (even homers).

JML · 03-24-2002, 05:11 PM

[quote]Originally posted by MNPhatz:
Why is it such a good park for hitters?<hr></blockquote>

You mean why WAS it a good hitters park. cuz now that Ross Gload is there patrolling the outfield, noone's gonna get ANY hits.

Frank55 · 03-24-2002, 05:21 PM

Todd Helton hit 403 there in 2003 still a record in my solo league. But I'm only up to 2011.

TSmith1969 · 03-25-2002, 12:08 PM

I went through Total Baseball, looking at Park Factors and came up with this list of best hitters' parks by league and decade. Keep in mind the Park Factor ratings are based on run scoring differentials, comparing a park to a league average (avg=100).

BEST HITTERS PARKS (Park Factor)

NATIONAL LEAGUE
1900s Palace of the Fans, West Side Park
1910s Baker Bowl, Wrigley Field
1920s Baker Bowl (107)
1930s Baker Bowl (to 1937) (110)
1940s Sportsman's Park (105)
1950s Ebbets Field (to 1957) (104)
1960s Sportsman's Park (to 1966) (108)
1970s Wrigley Field (110)
1980s Wrigley Field (106)
91-92 Atlanta-Fulton Co. Stadium (106)
93-94 Mile High Stadium (116)
1995- Coors Field (126)

AMERICAN LEAGUE
1900s Columbia Park, Hilltop Park
1910s Hilltop Park, League Park
1920s Sportsman's Park, Shibe Park
1930s Sportsman's, Fenway, Briggs
1940s Briggs Stadium (106)
1950s Fenway Park (108)
1960s Fenway Park (105)
1970s Fenway Park (108)
1980s Metrodome (from 1982) (104)
90-94 Fenway Park (106)
1995- Ballpark at Arlington (104)

jor31 · 03-25-2002, 12:13 PM

[quote]Originally posted by JML:


You mean why WAS it a good hitters park. cuz now that Ross Gload is there patrolling the outfield, noone's gonna get ANY hits.<hr></blockquote>

Oh yeah, flying Ross will jump up and REALLY take off in that think air, right JML?

Actually i kinda
like Ross. He hit HR's like crazy or something in AAA? What was that...

I just traded for him in my solo league, lol....

Heres an article bout Gload for all you who dont know about his BRILLIANT talent (had to use a word i knew you'd understand

) <a href="http://www.chicagosports.com/content/story/0,1984,133450,00.html" target="_blank">Gload Article</a>

[ March 25, 2002: Message edited by: jor31 ]

CMH · 03-25-2002, 12:39 PM

i think he's overrated...lol

jjmac69 · 03-25-2002, 01:12 PM

Here is something you may find interesting, between 1995-1997 Stats inc did a study on the difference in hitting between night and day games and Surprise Coors was not the best Homerun hitting bark during the day it was however the best at night and generally had the most runs night and day. here is the breakdown

Best Daytime

Rockies 161 Runs Angels 161 HR
A's 116 Rockies 159
Cubs 115 Padres 127

Best Nighttime

Best

Rockies 152 Runs Rockies 150 HR
Pirates 117 Tigers 117
Brewers 117 Giants 121

IngredientX · 03-25-2002, 05:12 PM

Just for reference...

Shea and Dodger Stadiums, two notorious pitcher parks, are about 50 feet above sea level.

Coors Field? 5,280 feet above sea level.

For stadium stats, try <a href="http://www.ballparks.com" target="_blank">here</a>.

[ March 25, 2002: Message edited by: IngredientX ]

Shorty · 03-25-2002, 05:17 PM

[quote]Originally posted by IngredientX:
Just for reference...

Shea and Dodger Stadiums, two notorious pitcher parks, are about 50 feet above sea level.

Coors Field? 5,280 feet above sea level.

For stadium stats, try <a href="http://www.ballparks.com" target="_blank">here</a>.

[ March 25, 2002: Message edited by: IngredientX ]<hr></blockquote>

Holy crap! Nice info, IX!

Draft Dodger · 03-25-2002, 05:29 PM

that's a difference of 5,230 feet.

dasperp · 03-25-2002, 08:10 PM

when there wasn't a strikeout or a walk last year in Coors, batters hit .378 with a slg around .670! if Ichiro played there, I'd bet on him hitting .400, Pierre has a chance for the mid .300's

Dan Lorenzen · 03-26-2002, 12:00 AM

I still say it's just a matter of time before the single season home run record is broken by a Rockies player.

Bank on it!

dasperp · 03-26-2002, 03:20 AM

Stats inc. projected what Jason Giambi, Chipper Jones, and Vladimir Guerrero would have done if playing for a different team, check out their Rockies numbers

Guerrero: .377, 52 hrs, 154 rbi
Jones: .359, 53 hrs, 145 rbi
Giambi: .380, 56 hrs, 176 rbi

By the way, Pac Bell was the best pitcher's park, especially for lefties. In a neutral park last year, Bonds would have hit 78 hrs, and had an obp of .535 and a slg over .900. That means in Coors, he probably would have hit about 87 hrs, and had an obp over .550, slg. over 1.000. Just sick

03-24-2002, 05:00 PM	#1
MNPhatz Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 42	Has there ever been a better hitters park than Coors field? . . . and if so, where could I find specs compatible w/ ootp? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

03-24-2002, 05:02 PM	#2
Spielman All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,668	No. Coors Field is far and away the best hitters park in the history of the majors. -Spielman __________________ Spielman was at one time the smartest person on these boards. http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...martest+Person I don't believe in AnotherAlias.

03-24-2002, 05:10 PM	#4
Seton Hall Pirate Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cheshire, CT Posts: 46	[quote]Originally posted by MNPhatz: <strong>Why is it such a good park for hitters?</strong><hr></blockquote> Good question. Believe it or not, Coors Field is the largest park in the majors, which helps out with extra-base hits more than you might realize. The thin air helps carry the ball, so there are more home runs. In addition, pitchers balls don't break as much because there is less air hitting the seams(which gives birth to the different pitches) so the hitters can hack away more easily. However, believe it or not, stolen bases are up at Coors Field as well, and if the answer to that isn't simply that more runners are getting on base, I have no explaination for it.

03-24-2002, 05:11 PM	#5
OOTP Rocks Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 119	[quote]Originally posted by MNPhatz: <strong>Why is it such a good park for hitters?</strong><hr></blockquote> 1. Thin air, allows the ball to travel further (and faster) with less resistance. 2. Thin air, prevents the ball from breaking as much on pitches. 3. Thin air 4. Coor Fields dimensions are one of the most cavernous (most open in baseball). The long fences may curb the possibility of an excessive amount of homers caused by the thin air. However, this also causes more hits to drop in, due to the fact that outfielders tend to play more back, allowing more bloop singles to drop in. Coor Field will result in much higher averages, more than anything else (even homers).

03-24-2002, 05:11 PM	#6
JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,154	[quote]Originally posted by MNPhatz: <strong>Why is it such a good park for hitters?</strong><hr></blockquote> You mean why WAS it a good hitters park. cuz now that Ross Gload is there patrolling the outfield, noone's gonna get ANY hits.

03-24-2002, 05:04 PM	#3
MNPhatz Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 42	Why is it such a good park for hitters?

03-24-2002, 05:21 PM	#7
Frank55 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 30	Todd Helton hit 403 there in 2003 still a record in my solo league. But I'm only up to 2011.

03-25-2002, 12:08 PM	#8
TSmith1969 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 253	I went through Total Baseball, looking at Park Factors and came up with this list of best hitters' parks by league and decade. Keep in mind the Park Factor ratings are based on run scoring differentials, comparing a park to a league average (avg=100). BEST HITTERS PARKS (Park Factor) NATIONAL LEAGUE 1900s Palace of the Fans, West Side Park 1910s Baker Bowl, Wrigley Field 1920s Baker Bowl (107) 1930s Baker Bowl (to 1937) (110) 1940s Sportsman's Park (105) 1950s Ebbets Field (to 1957) (104) 1960s Sportsman's Park (to 1966) (108) 1970s Wrigley Field (110) 1980s Wrigley Field (106) 91-92 Atlanta-Fulton Co. Stadium (106) 93-94 Mile High Stadium (116) 1995- Coors Field (126) AMERICAN LEAGUE 1900s Columbia Park, Hilltop Park 1910s Hilltop Park, League Park 1920s Sportsman's Park, Shibe Park 1930s Sportsman's, Fenway, Briggs 1940s Briggs Stadium (106) 1950s Fenway Park (108) 1960s Fenway Park (105) 1970s Fenway Park (108) 1980s Metrodome (from 1982) (104) 90-94 Fenway Park (106) 1995- Ballpark at Arlington (104) __________________ United League https://sites.google.com/view/circuitclouts

03-25-2002, 12:13 PM	#9
jor31 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 204	[quote]Originally posted by JML: <strong> You mean why WAS it a good hitters park. cuz now that Ross Gload is there patrolling the outfield, noone's gonna get ANY hits.</strong><hr></blockquote> Oh yeah, flying Ross will jump up and REALLY take off in that think air, right JML? Actually i kinda like Ross. He hit HR's like crazy or something in AAA? What was that... I just traded for him in my solo league, lol.... Heres an article bout Gload for all you who dont know about his BRILLIANT talent (had to use a word i knew you'd understand ) <a href="http://www.chicagosports.com/content/story/0,1984,133450,00.html" target="_blank">Gload Article</a> [ March 25, 2002: Message edited by: jor31 ]</p> __________________ Not affiliated but these sites are good- <a href="http://www.ootpworld.com" target="_blank">http://www.ootpworld.com</a> <a href="http://www.ootplinks.com" target="_blank">http://www.ootplinks.com</a> <a href="http://www.bigcitybaseball.com/bigcitybaseball/" target="_blank">http://www.bigcitybaseball.com/bigcitybaseball/</a>

03-25-2002, 12:39 PM	#10
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	i think he's overrated...lol

03-25-2002, 01:12 PM	#11
jjmac69 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 150	Here is something you may find interesting, between 1995-1997 Stats inc did a study on the difference in hitting between night and day games and Surprise Coors was not the best Homerun hitting bark during the day it was however the best at night and generally had the most runs night and day. here is the breakdown Best Daytime Rockies 161 Runs Angels 161 HR A's 116 Rockies 159 Cubs 115 Padres 127 Best Nighttime Best Rockies 152 Runs Rockies 150 HR Pirates 117 Tigers 117 Brewers 117 Giants 121 __________________ <a href="/http%7C//www.sportplanet.com/sbb/iba/">CDIL</a>

03-25-2002, 05:12 PM	#12
IngredientX Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 117	Just for reference... Shea and Dodger Stadiums, two notorious pitcher parks, are about 50 feet above sea level. Coors Field? 5,280 feet above sea level. For stadium stats, try <a href="http://www.ballparks.com" target="_blank">here</a>. [ March 25, 2002: Message edited by: IngredientX ]</p> __________________ "Schopenhauer was right, wouldn't you say? 'Life without pain has no meaning.' Gentlemen, I wish to give your lives meaning."

03-25-2002, 05:17 PM	#13
Shorty All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 992	[quote]Originally posted by IngredientX: <strong>Just for reference... Shea and Dodger Stadiums, two notorious pitcher parks, are about 50 feet above sea level. Coors Field? 5,280 feet above sea level. For stadium stats, try <a href="http://www.ballparks.com" target="_blank">here</a>. [ March 25, 2002: Message edited by: IngredientX ]</strong><hr></blockquote> Holy crap! Nice info, IX! __________________ Here we go Redlegs here we go!

03-25-2002, 05:29 PM	#14
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	that's a difference of 5,230 feet. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

03-25-2002, 08:10 PM	#15
dasperp Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 61	when there wasn't a strikeout or a walk last year in Coors, batters hit .378 with a slg around .670! if Ichiro played there, I'd bet on him hitting .400, Pierre has a chance for the mid .300's

03-26-2002, 12:00 AM	#16
Dan Lorenzen Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 34	I still say it's just a matter of time before the single season home run record is broken by a Rockies player. Bank on it!

03-26-2002, 03:20 AM	#17
dasperp Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 61	Stats inc. projected what Jason Giambi, Chipper Jones, and Vladimir Guerrero would have done if playing for a different team, check out their Rockies numbers Guerrero: .377, 52 hrs, 154 rbi Jones: .359, 53 hrs, 145 rbi Giambi: .380, 56 hrs, 176 rbi By the way, Pac Bell was the best pitcher's park, especially for lefties. In a neutral park last year, Bonds would have hit 78 hrs, and had an obp of .535 and a slg over .900. That means in Coors, he probably would have hit about 87 hrs, and had an obp over .550, slg. over 1.000. Just sick