Women - Page 2

Skipaway · 12-29-2003, 07:56 PM

If female characters are allowed, with the way the game is designed now, my character would take Markus, the team owner, the manager, and half the team home.

JW · 12-29-2003, 08:04 PM

And while we're at it, we need a good World War II game in which female American soldiers can storm the beach at Normandy or Iwo Jima. I can't believe how discriminatory the makers of WWII games are in not realizing this... Discriminatory???? LOL.

Brett · 12-29-2003, 08:11 PM

If you want to play as a woman, is anyone really stopping you?

Here's my advice: use a woman's name when you create your player, change the player's picture to a female. Halfway there! Next modify the file ...ITP/wnames.dat to contain male names instead of female names, and bam, you're playing as a woman and picking up males in the bar.

As to some of the pronouns being wrong, well, in general, the grammer and spelling is bad enough that you should be able to overlook a few misplaced pronouns.

Brett

statfreak · 12-29-2003, 08:55 PM

well... if female players are ever added, I hope it is an option that can be turned on/off. I don't want my baseball universe to include women, not because I am discriminatory or any such thing. I just would prefer my leagues have some semblance of reality (at least, my reality) and forcing me to include women would taint my league enough to make it unenjoyable. I'm all for having women's leagues, but not in my gaming experience.

Also, throwing the word discrinmatory around because Markus made a game resembling real life (in which there are currently no female major league players) is ignorant and bordering on slander (or would that be libel since it's written?).

No offense fluharty, but your statement's in this thread have definitely lowered my opinion of you. Regardless, you are entitled to your opinion, I just hope your ideas are never incorporated into either ITP or OOTP.

afail · 12-29-2003, 09:16 PM

FYI: Baseball Mogul has an option to have women introduced into the league in the later years, while a nice touch, it does not really change the game. Alot of you are saying it would detract from the realism of the game, but how can you justify that? Do you really think there won't be women in professional sports in 50 years? Maybe 100 years? Markus could add an option in which aliens play for your team and probably justify it using this logic.

Im indifferent on this issue, but I do have one question for everyone. In the later years of OOTP, my leagues seemed to have more Japaneese players in them. Is Markus destroying realism or discriminating Americans? Just something to think about

Jason · 12-29-2003, 11:06 PM

When you bring up an issue of discrimination you are implying the delibrate attempt to keep a segment of society oppressed because of their gender or race or origin.

fluharty, I really have to wonder about your intent on making this post. If you're really this passionate about a computer game not having a female character then you really need to turn the computer off, stop the Dixie Chicks CD you're playing, go outside and meet human beings.

You're entitled to your opinion. Just realize everyone else is entitled to criticize your opinion...and that's not "flaming" you. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we're attacking you.

Skipaway · 12-30-2003, 02:51 AM

Glad to see a point double-re-over-emphasized anew repeatedly once more again.

SlapBone · 12-30-2003, 02:59 AM

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Originally posted by Karen Lutz
Although I did jokingly suggest it to Markus one day and he didn't say no

Smart man

Jordan · 12-30-2003, 03:01 AM

The only chick I want in this game is Jennie Finch....

jmaness84 · 12-30-2003, 05:05 AM

Karen Lutz said it best. Id bet about 99% of the consumers of OOTP products are male. If females were buying the game, then Markus would put females in there. The Target audience for this game is probably males 15+ years old. So Markus will cater to the target audience. It's just the way business is done. If Markus was to put 70% of his developing time into putting women into the game instead of improving other aspects such as Winter Leagues, More interaction, Fan favorite, etc... Well that just wouldn't be smart

Anyways... Can't you just edit the name file (or something like that) and make it where Bobs and Joes do not come into the league, but names such as Kit and Dotty?

Skipaway · 12-30-2003, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmaness84
Karen Lutz said it best. Id bet about 99% of the consumers of OOTP products are male. If females were buying the game, then Markus would put females in there. The Target audience for this game is probably males 15+ years old. So Markus will cater to the target audience.

I think you got it wrong. Female characters are usually targeting male consumers, especially age 15~25 males. Most of the female characters in on line games are played by males.

It's just that OOTP and ITP are so geeky, you don't have to worry about the normal age 15~25 male crowd.

BBL_Toriq · 12-30-2003, 09:40 AM

Skipaway, I would buy that arguement if we were discussing a game with 3D graphics and not a text-sim. Just not enough silicon in these pixels to interest the particular crowd you're referring to. ;p

FWIW, wouldn't matter to me if women were an option. But, it's in no way discriminatory that they are not included. That's just silly.

bigcat · 12-30-2003, 10:41 AM

Doh, I thought this post would tell me how to find a woman. Well back to the russian brides websites.

P.S. Woman in the game and 18 year olds in bars, if you think these are issues play a real RPG. Neverwinter Nights has bars, brothels, murder and mayhem and noone blinks an eye.

Jeff Olsen · 12-30-2003, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by afail
FYI: Baseball Mogul has an option to have women introduced into the league in the later years, while a nice touch, it does not really change the game. Alot of you are saying it would detract from the realism of the game, but how can you justify that? Do you really think there won't be women in professional sports in 50 years? Maybe 100 years? Markus could add an option in which aliens play for your team and probably justify it using this logic.

Of course, the first few versions of Mogul did allow for aliens and the current one can have women enter the league whenever the user wants.

ITP isn't quite realisitc as it is (e.g.: million-dollar books, magic equipment), neither is OOTP (e.g.: pitchers with 500+ strikeouts per season) or Mogul (e.g.: too many players demanding A-Rod salaries). OTOH, games that do have realism (e.g.: Diamond Mind) aren't as user-friendly.

kwright · 12-30-2003, 12:46 PM

Wow. who would have known this was such a hot topic. What was the point of the dixie chicks reference? That they are women, or their choices regarding speech about certian world leaders?

jmaness84 · 12-31-2003, 03:53 AM

Women shouldn't talk, they should just look pretty.

Skipaway · 12-31-2003, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BBL_Toriq
Skipaway, I would buy that arguement if we were discussing a game with 3D graphics and not a text-sim. Just not enough silicon in these pixels to interest the particular crowd you're referring to. ;p

You never have hot talks in chat rooms with "woman" pretended by man? Or text sex on mobile phones?

I think some simple text like "SUKME" would be enough to attract age 15~25 males.

Karen Lutz · 12-31-2003, 08:03 AM

I left this thread alone for a while after my post, I come back and find you guys debating over it? LOL

Female characters would be pointless, the time it would take to include it would take away from other needs the game has and even OOTP6 time, so I am against the idea. It is simply a perk we don't need (much like the buggy release players manually patch, but we wont get into that).

As for your post Skipaway, lol, I will never understand why men pretent to be women, I know I would never want to pretend to be male.

jmaness84 · 01-01-2004, 07:44 PM

If you guys......and girls haven't figured it out Skipaway posts are just to post. They rarely have any accurate or useful information. He thinks his large post count can make up for his..... well small....well you get the point!

Skipaway · 01-01-2004, 08:39 PM

I do try hard to be accurate. And I'm sure my posts are all more useful than jmaness84's.

Let's think again about what we do in this game:

1. setup the player
2. setup the training schedule
3. buy equipments
4. drink and try to get lucky
5. drink and try to get lucky
6. drink and try to get lucky
7. drink and try to get lucky
8. drink and try to get lucky
9. drink and try to get lucky
11. sim a game or two
12. drink and try to get lucky
13. drink and try to get lucky
14. drink and try to get lucky
15. drink and try to get lucky
16 retire

Now tell me, do playable female characters appeal more to male players or female players? I'd believe the big fans would be those male players who had a hard time getting girls as male characters. They'd just want to try it from the other side.

12-29-2003, 07:56 PM	#21
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	If female characters are allowed, with the way the game is designed now, my character would take Markus, the team owner, the manager, and half the team home. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

12-29-2003, 08:55 PM	#24
statfreak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,434	well... if female players are ever added, I hope it is an option that can be turned on/off. I don't want my baseball universe to include women, not because I am discriminatory or any such thing. I just would prefer my leagues have some semblance of reality (at least, my reality) and forcing me to include women would taint my league enough to make it unenjoyable. I'm all for having women's leagues, but not in my gaming experience. Also, throwing the word discrinmatory around because Markus made a game resembling real life (in which there are currently no female major league players) is ignorant and bordering on slander (or would that be libel since it's written?). No offense fluharty, but your statement's in this thread have definitely lowered my opinion of you. Regardless, you are entitled to your opinion, I just hope your ideas are never incorporated into either ITP or OOTP. __________________ Roll out the barrel!

12-30-2003, 02:51 AM	#27
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Glad to see a point double-re-over-emphasized anew repeatedly once more again. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

12-30-2003, 05:05 AM	#30
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,685	Karen Lutz said it best. Id bet about 99% of the consumers of OOTP products are male. If females were buying the game, then Markus would put females in there. The Target audience for this game is probably males 15+ years old. So Markus will cater to the target audience. It's just the way business is done. If Markus was to put 70% of his developing time into putting women into the game instead of improving other aspects such as Winter Leagues, More interaction, Fan favorite, etc... Well that just wouldn't be smart Anyways... Can't you just edit the name file (or something like that) and make it where Bobs and Joes do not come into the league, but names such as Kit and Dotty? Last edited by jmaness84; 12-30-2003 at 05:22 AM.

01-01-2004, 07:44 PM	#39
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,685	If you guys......and girls haven't figured it out Skipaway posts are just to post. They rarely have any accurate or useful information. He thinks his large post count can make up for his..... well small....well you get the point! Last edited by jmaness84; 01-01-2004 at 07:47 PM.

12-29-2003, 08:04 PM	#22
JW Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Monroe, LA Posts: 46	And while we're at it, we need a good World War II game in which female American soldiers can storm the beach at Normandy or Iwo Jima. I can't believe how discriminatory the makers of WWII games are in not realizing this... Discriminatory???? LOL.

12-29-2003, 08:11 PM	#23
Brett Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 30	If you want to play as a woman, is anyone really stopping you? Here's my advice: use a woman's name when you create your player, change the player's picture to a female. Halfway there! Next modify the file ...ITP/wnames.dat to contain male names instead of female names, and bam, you're playing as a woman and picking up males in the bar. As to some of the pronouns being wrong, well, in general, the grammer and spelling is bad enough that you should be able to overlook a few misplaced pronouns. Brett

12-29-2003, 09:16 PM	#25
afail Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 382	FYI: Baseball Mogul has an option to have women introduced into the league in the later years, while a nice touch, it does not really change the game. Alot of you are saying it would detract from the realism of the game, but how can you justify that? Do you really think there won't be women in professional sports in 50 years? Maybe 100 years? Markus could add an option in which aliens play for your team and probably justify it using this logic. Im indifferent on this issue, but I do have one question for everyone. In the later years of OOTP, my leagues seemed to have more Japaneese players in them. Is Markus destroying realism or discriminating Americans? Just something to think about

12-29-2003, 11:06 PM	#26
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	When you bring up an issue of discrimination you are implying the delibrate attempt to keep a segment of society oppressed because of their gender or race or origin. fluharty, I really have to wonder about your intent on making this post. If you're really this passionate about a computer game not having a female character then you really need to turn the computer off, stop the Dixie Chicks CD you're playing, go outside and meet human beings. You're entitled to your opinion. Just realize everyone else is entitled to criticize your opinion...and that's not "flaming" you. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we're attacking you.

12-30-2003, 03:01 AM	#29
Jordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chi Suburbs now... Posts: 2,022	The only chick I want in this game is Jennie Finch....

12-30-2003, 09:40 AM	#32
BBL_Toriq Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 21	Skipaway, I would buy that arguement if we were discussing a game with 3D graphics and not a text-sim. Just not enough silicon in these pixels to interest the particular crowd you're referring to. ;p FWIW, wouldn't matter to me if women were an option. But, it's in no way discriminatory that they are not included. That's just silly.

12-30-2003, 10:41 AM	#33
bigcat Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 190	Doh, I thought this post would tell me how to find a woman. Well back to the russian brides websites. P.S. Woman in the game and 18 year olds in bars, if you think these are issues play a real RPG. Neverwinter Nights has bars, brothels, murder and mayhem and noone blinks an eye.

12-30-2003, 12:46 PM	#35
kwright Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 58	Wow. who would have known this was such a hot topic. What was the point of the dixie chicks reference? That they are women, or their choices regarding speech about certian world leaders?

12-31-2003, 03:53 AM	#36
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,685	Women shouldn't talk, they should just look pretty.

12-31-2003, 08:03 AM	#38
Karen Lutz Ball Breaker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada OOTPChampionships: 5 Posts: 898	I left this thread alone for a while after my post, I come back and find you guys debating over it? LOL Female characters would be pointless, the time it would take to include it would take away from other needs the game has and even OOTP6 time, so I am against the idea. It is simply a perk we don't need (much like the buggy release players manually patch, but we wont get into that). As for your post Skipaway, lol, I will never understand why men pretent to be women, I know I would never want to pretend to be male.

01-01-2004, 08:39 PM	#40
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	I do try hard to be accurate. And I'm sure my posts are all more useful than jmaness84's. Let's think again about what we do in this game: 1. setup the player 2. setup the training schedule 3. buy equipments 4. drink and try to get lucky 5. drink and try to get lucky 6. drink and try to get lucky 7. drink and try to get lucky 8. drink and try to get lucky 9. drink and try to get lucky 11. sim a game or two 12. drink and try to get lucky 13. drink and try to get lucky 14. drink and try to get lucky 15. drink and try to get lucky 16 retire Now tell me, do playable female characters appeal more to male players or female players? I'd believe the big fans would be those male players who had a hard time getting girls as male characters. They'd just want to try it from the other side. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.