Talent level changes? - Page 2

Orrie · 12-20-2003, 09:31 PM

To DannyC

I do not mean to imply that you cannot get a max talent change post 30; in fact, in the game I am currently playing, at least one of the max talent changes happened at or near the age of 32 (My character is currently 33-34.) I do not know if there is a hard-coded limit of an age where you cannot improve your statistics but if it is like anything like OOTP5, it would be rarer as your character ages. That being said, It seems to be that as you age, your character is more likely to be injured - which reduces your statistics but does not hamper any max values - but does delay any possible max value upgrades since you need to recover the values over time.

fluharty · 12-20-2003, 11:13 PM

Well, mine have changed for both of my players. My first guy I created as a knuckleball pitcher. I dont remember his exact starting numbers but but his velocity has gone up 10 (to 20, lol), his stuff 10 and his poise 10. he is 24.

My other guy is a 1B power dude shat started with 60 contact, 80 power, 50 eye, and 70 gap. His contact has gone to 70 and his gap has gone up twice to 90. He is still only 24.

Kaitiaki · 12-20-2003, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by Orrie
Now I can't be absolutely sure, but it appears that if you keep within the recommended ratio of weight training/flexibility AND you have ALL the ratings (Eye, Contact, Gap, Power) max'ed out, then there's a chance that your baseball player will increase in talent ratings. There may be an element of luck there as well, but for the record, I had set the guy with an Luck of 1.

For the record, my character's Luck was 0, and the only rating maxed out when my Power Talent increased was the Power rating.

yankeesrule · 12-21-2003, 02:23 AM

What increases power? My guys 50 for gap but his power is only 26. I've tried mixing in a bunch of upper body lifting, lower body lifting, etc and the power still doesn't increase much if any.

Ben E Lou · 12-21-2003, 05:17 AM

I've had several max talent changes on the Horror difficulty level. I'm now in 2010, and he's in his second year as an everyday starter in the bigs after getting a cup o' coffee in Sept. '07, and being a backup (196 AB) in '08.

As a rookie in '03, my guy was rated as follows:

Contact: 70
Eye: 30
Power: 20
Gap: 30

His power and gap ratings are both up to 50 now. I'm guessing that my workout regimen has something to do with it. I work out as much as possible while remaining slightly above the suggested tiring threshold, and my ratio is 1.53 (suggested 1.5).

Ben E Lou · 12-21-2003, 06:00 AM

Dola--My Gap Power just went up another 10 points. It is now 60, going into 2011 at age 26.

bobd4967 · 12-21-2003, 12:58 PM

After reading this post, I changed the workout routine for my 35 year old player. His power rating jumped from 80 to 90 after about 5 months. So there's hope for the old guys!

Edit: Just turned 36, and got another 10 point power increase. 2 months later, got a 10 contact increase and a week later a 10 gap increase. I hope to play till I'm 88 years old.

Cyclone792 · 12-21-2003, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by MZBKA
SOMEBODY say that their talent changed! Please!!!

I created a finesse pitcher originally with max settings of 80 stuff, 80 control, 20 velocity and 40 poise. In my third season, while in AAA, my velocity was already maxed out at 20, but I received a message stating my workout routine caused my velocity potential to jump to 30. What seems to work for me is to have an energy level in the 50 to 60 range and the relationship for strength/flexibility as close to the suggested level as possible (when I had the talent boost, my relationship was exactly 1.50, which was the suggested level). Other workout routines I used was long toss first thing every morning (my endurance is now near 100, when originally set at 70 or 80) followed by either a pitching session or pitching session plus. The evening workouts were a combination of strength/flexibility exercises.

Orrie · 12-21-2003, 03:02 PM

To Cyclone792

What were your other ratings (besides velocity) at the time? You note that Velocity was maxed out; was any other rating maxed out - if any?

Cyclone792 · 12-21-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Orrie
To Cyclone792

What were your other ratings (besides velocity) at the time? You note that Velocity was maxed out; was any other rating maxed out - if any?

Stuff was maxed out at 80, poise maxed out at 40. My control rating was circa 70, however, with a potential of 80 so I still had a bit of room to grow there.

Kaitiaki · 12-21-2003, 04:08 PM

I just got my 2nd talent increase (both in Power), after only 3-1/2 years (age 22). If my talent ratings keep changing at this rate (1 shift every 1-2 years), I think I'll be quite happy with this aspect of the game. Rare enough that your starting settings will always matter, but frequent enough that you don't feel stagnant once you reach your initial peak.

Now if I could only figure out how to get increases in a few other areas. Anyone got any idea what workout routine will improve my Eye talent?

EDIT> me, my; pronoun, adjective -- it's all the same.

Orrie · 12-21-2003, 04:17 PM

While we're on the subject, has anyone ever seen any talent increases to Eye? Also, has anyone seen an increase to their talent rating beyond 100? I ask because OOTP5 seems to allow for this but beyond one poster stating that his stealing stat increased beyond 100 (possibly by reading a book - the post wasn't too clear), I haven't read of any such occurrence.

bigcat · 12-21-2003, 04:30 PM

Any idea what workout routine will improve anything? No talents ever increase for me and I hit the gym like crazy.

Kaitiaki · 12-21-2003, 04:34 PM

Orrie: I've never seen my talent increase beyond 100, but once it is at 100, your equipment can push it over. I'm current 106 in defence because of this. I have no idea if talent increases beyond are possible (I doubt it; the coloured bars don't go any farther), but your abilities certainly aren't capped there.

bigcat: specifically, no. I just picked a bunch of seeminly appropriate exercises, and it seems to be working. At this point, experimentation seems to be the only way to find out...

Orrie · 12-21-2003, 04:53 PM

To Bigcat

From the information from various posters, it seems that you can get an talent increase, if you've maxed out on any single talent rating. It also seems that you may need to optimize your workout schedule to get within spitting distance of the recommended ratio. There have been educated guesses about Fitness in there as well but no one has so far been able to confirm this part. Youth is also apparently not required since you get can max talent increases after your "prime."

MZBKA · 12-21-2003, 05:04 PM

I'm a finess pitcher. Stuff maxed out at 50, control is 78 (80) Velocity was maxed out at 50 but now it's at 51 (60) after a talent rating increase. Poise maxed at 50. I'd like to have a stuff rating increase. Should I be throwing a lot of pitching sessions or should I be working out? Should I be doing upper body or lower body stuff? Also, why are people setting the workout schedual so their engry level is around 60 or 70? Shouldn't you work out as much as you can such that your performance doesn't suffer? (in other words, an energy rating around 40)? Oh by the way, I'm 22 if that matters

Orrie · 12-21-2003, 05:11 PM

To MZBKA

I haven't played a pitcher yet; but the reason why I keep my character above 60 or so is because he gets tired quickly and then performance takes a hit. As far as I can tell (and please someone correct me), when you set the workout schedule and get an estimated fitness rating, that's the baseline average after working out the entire week. That doesn't take into consideration actually playing the game, which can decrease fitness further (especially if you play everyday), which when you're in the red Fitness bar zone, means poor on-field performance.

BMW · 12-21-2003, 06:11 PM

I finally received my first increase, 10pt in Contact as a result of my workout. I used the one on page two. I had always been right around the ratio before. The key seems to be not making yourself constantly tired. It seems to be the Relaxing that does it.

BMW · 12-21-2003, 07:24 PM

Wow, and now an increase in my Power and Gap. What an effective workout.

And one more Gap increase.

And then another.

Screw Adkins,
I'm on the <b>ORRIE PLAN.</b>

Orrie · 12-21-2003, 09:27 PM

Uh yeah, BMW. I don't know what to say. Um, avoid bread, and keep your eye on the ball?

But watch out that as you get older, you need to tweak the workout schedule. As you age, you need to do more flexibility and less weight training. This does mean that you need to do some experimentation to get in the recommended zone.

12-20-2003, 09:31 PM	#21
Orrie Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 115	To DannyC I do not mean to imply that you cannot get a max talent change post 30; in fact, in the game I am currently playing, at least one of the max talent changes happened at or near the age of 32 (My character is currently 33-34.) I do not know if there is a hard-coded limit of an age where you cannot improve your statistics but if it is like anything like OOTP5, it would be rarer as your character ages. That being said, It seems to be that as you age, your character is more likely to be injured - which reduces your statistics but does not hamper any max values - but does delay any possible max value upgrades since you need to recover the values over time. __________________ Let's go, Red Sox!

12-21-2003, 12:58 PM	#27
bobd4967 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California Posts: 24	After reading this post, I changed the workout routine for my 35 year old player. His power rating jumped from 80 to 90 after about 5 months. So there's hope for the old guys! Edit: Just turned 36, and got another 10 point power increase. 2 months later, got a 10 contact increase and a week later a 10 gap increase. I hope to play till I'm 88 years old. Last edited by bobd4967; 12-21-2003 at 01:32 PM.

12-21-2003, 03:02 PM	#29
Orrie Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 115	To Cyclone792 What were your other ratings (besides velocity) at the time? You note that Velocity was maxed out; was any other rating maxed out - if any? __________________ Let's go, Red Sox!

12-21-2003, 04:08 PM	#31
Kaitiaki Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,065	I just got my 2nd talent increase (both in Power), after only 3-1/2 years (age 22). If my talent ratings keep changing at this rate (1 shift every 1-2 years), I think I'll be quite happy with this aspect of the game. Rare enough that your starting settings will always matter, but frequent enough that you don't feel stagnant once you reach your initial peak. Now if I could only figure out how to get increases in a few other areas. Anyone got any idea what workout routine will improve my Eye talent? EDIT> me, my; pronoun, adjective -- it's all the same. __________________ BJHL: Commissioner; Owner: Wichita War Eagles Last edited by Kaitiaki; 12-21-2003 at 04:13 PM.

12-21-2003, 04:17 PM	#32
Orrie Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 115	While we're on the subject, has anyone ever seen any talent increases to Eye? Also, has anyone seen an increase to their talent rating beyond 100? I ask because OOTP5 seems to allow for this but beyond one poster stating that his stealing stat increased beyond 100 (possibly by reading a book - the post wasn't too clear), I haven't read of any such occurrence. __________________ Let's go, Red Sox! Last edited by Orrie; 12-21-2003 at 04:23 PM.

12-20-2003, 11:13 PM	#22
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	Well, mine have changed for both of my players. My first guy I created as a knuckleball pitcher. I dont remember his exact starting numbers but but his velocity has gone up 10 (to 20, lol), his stuff 10 and his poise 10. he is 24. My other guy is a 1B power dude shat started with 60 contact, 80 power, 50 eye, and 70 gap. His contact has gone to 70 and his gap has gone up twice to 90. He is still only 24.

12-21-2003, 02:23 AM	#24
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	What increases power? My guys 50 for gap but his power is only 26. I've tried mixing in a bunch of upper body lifting, lower body lifting, etc and the power still doesn't increase much if any.

12-21-2003, 05:17 AM	#25
Ben E Lou Front Office Football Central Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Souf Cackilacky Posts: 1,762	I've had several max talent changes on the Horror difficulty level. I'm now in 2010, and he's in his second year as an everyday starter in the bigs after getting a cup o' coffee in Sept. '07, and being a backup (196 AB) in '08. As a rookie in '03, my guy was rated as follows: Contact: 70 Eye: 30 Power: 20 Gap: 30 His power and gap ratings are both up to 50 now. I'm guessing that my workout regimen has something to do with it. I work out as much as possible while remaining slightly above the suggested tiring threshold, and my ratio is 1.53 (suggested 1.5).

12-21-2003, 06:00 AM	#26
Ben E Lou Front Office Football Central Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Souf Cackilacky Posts: 1,762	Dola--My Gap Power just went up another 10 points. It is now 60, going into 2011 at age 26.

12-21-2003, 04:30 PM	#33
bigcat Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 190	Any idea what workout routine will improve anything? No talents ever increase for me and I hit the gym like crazy.

12-21-2003, 04:34 PM	#34
Kaitiaki Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,065	Orrie: I've never seen my talent increase beyond 100, but once it is at 100, your equipment can push it over. I'm current 106 in defence because of this. I have no idea if talent increases beyond are possible (I doubt it; the coloured bars don't go any farther), but your abilities certainly aren't capped there. bigcat: specifically, no. I just picked a bunch of seeminly appropriate exercises, and it seems to be working. At this point, experimentation seems to be the only way to find out... __________________ BJHL: Commissioner; Owner: Wichita War Eagles

12-21-2003, 04:53 PM	#35
Orrie Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 115	To Bigcat From the information from various posters, it seems that you can get an talent increase, if you've maxed out on any single talent rating. It also seems that you may need to optimize your workout schedule to get within spitting distance of the recommended ratio. There have been educated guesses about Fitness in there as well but no one has so far been able to confirm this part. Youth is also apparently not required since you get can max talent increases after your "prime." __________________ Let's go, Red Sox!

12-21-2003, 05:04 PM	#36
MZBKA Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 82	I'm a finess pitcher. Stuff maxed out at 50, control is 78 (80) Velocity was maxed out at 50 but now it's at 51 (60) after a talent rating increase. Poise maxed at 50. I'd like to have a stuff rating increase. Should I be throwing a lot of pitching sessions or should I be working out? Should I be doing upper body or lower body stuff? Also, why are people setting the workout schedual so their engry level is around 60 or 70? Shouldn't you work out as much as you can such that your performance doesn't suffer? (in other words, an energy rating around 40)? Oh by the way, I'm 22 if that matters

12-21-2003, 05:11 PM	#37
Orrie Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 115	To MZBKA I haven't played a pitcher yet; but the reason why I keep my character above 60 or so is because he gets tired quickly and then performance takes a hit. As far as I can tell (and please someone correct me), when you set the workout schedule and get an estimated fitness rating, that's the baseline average after working out the entire week. That doesn't take into consideration actually playing the game, which can decrease fitness further (especially if you play everyday), which when you're in the red Fitness bar zone, means poor on-field performance. __________________ Let's go, Red Sox!

12-21-2003, 06:11 PM	#38
BMW Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,030	I finally received my first increase, 10pt in Contact as a result of my workout. I used the one on page two. I had always been right around the ratio before. The key seems to be not making yourself constantly tired. It seems to be the Relaxing that does it. __________________

12-21-2003, 07:24 PM	#39
BMW Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,030	Wow, and now an increase in my Power and Gap. What an effective workout. And one more Gap increase. And then another. Screw Adkins, I'm on the <b>ORRIE PLAN.</b> __________________ Last edited by BMW; 12-21-2003 at 08:10 PM.

12-21-2003, 09:27 PM	#40
Orrie Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 115	Uh yeah, BMW. I don't know what to say. Um, avoid bread, and keep your eye on the ball? But watch out that as you get older, you need to tweak the workout schedule. As you age, you need to do more flexibility and less weight training. This does mean that you need to do some experimentation to get in the recommended zone. __________________ Let's go, Red Sox! Last edited by Orrie; 12-21-2003 at 09:29 PM.