Fix the memory leak

[BaseballMan]

Did some more testing and the problem is still happening but it seems like it happens when i have a portable hdd plugged in. Not sure if that could cause it or if its just a coincidence.
I have 2 other desktops so maybe i could see if it does the same thing when the external drive is plugged in.
After that i may just have to start over from my base league i import from ootp26.
Might even have to start from scratch.

[ootpFox07]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

OK, this is the thing though: OOTP puts your saves into the Documents folder. If you're using OneDrive, it will try to back all of that up (and if you're not this isn't an issue so you can ignore it). Unfortunately, Microsoft made this the default behavior. "Eliminating it as a source of the problem" would mean either changing the folder where saves are written to, which is stealthy not as easy as it looks (everything wants to write to Documents now and not doing so trips antivirus software among other things - I see this happen all the time with the Action! PC titles for example and it keeps popping back up any time there's a new Windows or McAfee update, and the effects are that machines will just straight up quarantine files), or else change the way saves are made to use larger and fewer files, which is I think pretty obviously a big fix that's not likely to be made post release.



I'm not saying you have to resign yourself to slow performance. FWIW I don't see slowdown issues on my PC, granted that I a. just bought it new last year and b. I don't sim forward years or whatever at a time (although when I was doing so for the beta it felt as fast as ever TBH). I'm saying that the fix on the OOTP side of things, especially if the issue is OneDrive/the Documents folder, is going to be really, really tough.



I also FWIW found OneDrive to be a massive PITA to just turn off (I had the additional issue that it was trying to store literal gigabytes of data into the cloud and wanted me to pay extra for the privilege). I wish there was a quicker and easier answer to this.

My games do save things into C:/Documents/OneDrive, i just have the backups functionaliry turned OFF. I decline to set up automatic OneDrive backups AND copilot every time Windows updates and pushes me to turn it on. So like Syd, I've simmed DECADES and not seen it degrade much, even saving to that folder.

Older versions, and I'm talking v11 or 12 here, sure it would start to drag after a while of continued simming, and i handled it accordingly. Newer versions, i dont see much issue like that much, if evet.

I mostly use steam edtions now and i did try to change the saves folder and things got sticky fast so I went back to the default and it runs just fine. I've even run sims while running minecraft with shaders on (super cpu AND gpu resource consumption there) and it still did fine. My cpu fans were running like jet engines, but ootp performed fine.

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[twins_34]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Not asking OOTP to fix onedrive.
Just trying to eliminate it from a possible source of the problem.
As far as i can see i don't have one drive running.

I don't believe releasing players is a cause at all.
I have not released any players since im using historical transactions.
The problem would happen anytime i watched a league game.

I built this system last year.
Here are the specs.
Intel(R) Core(TM) Ultra 7 265K (3.90 GHz).
64.0 GB DDR5 Ram
Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070
The game is installed on a Samsung SSD 990 EVO Plus 1TB
with 503GB of free space.

Now its not gonna run an entire data center but i think it should be more than capable of handling ootp.

Am i blaming OOTP?
Not at all and i don't think most others are either.
But it is a problem for some of us and i think we are just looking for a solution.

These are my specs and I see no issues and this is what Lukas is trying to get to, this issue is treating everyone different.

i7 - 14700KF (not the ultra but just as good) you are on a different chipset.
96GB DDR5 6000/mt ram
Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 OC
game installed on a Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus 2TB read 7100MB/S write 6600-6850MB/s

And I have had zero issues with slowdown. I however I was up to the game using 17GB of RAM when I looked at task manager, and that is not what a typical memory leak does. My PC is very comparable to yours and even when using 17GB of ram, I was still going like normal. Yes, we have different motherboards, different chipsets, and you are using the ultra over me using the i7 14th gen. But, I am not seeing what you are seeing and maybe it is as simple as I have 32GB more ram than you.

My friend on a laptop that has 16GB of ram, his laptop freezes up. For you the game slows down and for me, I have seen no issues. This seems to be a ram issues and stuff being stored into ram and not being released.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by twins_34

These are my specs and I see no issues and this is what Lukas is trying to get to, this issue is treating everyone different.

i7 - 14700KF (not the ultra but just as good) you are on a different chipset.
96GB DDR5 6000/mt ram
Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 OC
game installed on a Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus 2TB read 7100MB/S write 6600-6850MB/s

And I have had zero issues with slowdown. I however I was up to the game using 17GB of RAM when I looked at task manager, and that is not what a typical memory leak does. My PC is very comparable to yours and even when using 17GB of ram, I was still going like normal. Yes, we have different motherboards, different chipsets, and you are using the ultra over me using the i7 14th gen. But, I am not seeing what you are seeing and maybe it is as simple as I have 32GB more ram than you.

My friend on a laptop that has 16GB of ram, his laptop freezes up. For you the game slows down and for me, I have seen no issues. This seems to be a ram issues and stuff being stored into ram and not being released.

Thats why i didn't think it was the capabilities of my hardware though it doesn't rule out hardware failures.

However i think i may answer.
I noticed that the game only seems to fail on one desktop.
I downloaded the latest game version and installed with no mods.
The game ran fine.

I installed my modded ballparks folder and the issue returned.
I then deleted the ballparks folder but noticed it was still there.
Inside it were 3 ballparks with texture files i could not delete.
On my other desktops i could delete the files.
So i'm guessing they are ghost files?

I've tried command prompt, safe mode and i can't get rid of the files.
I guess the files must have got corrupted at some point.
Might have to do a clean install.

It sucks but it will give me a chance to reorganize this desktop and a relief to know its not my hardware or the game that was the problem.

[Bagpipes5]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Thats why i didn't think it was the capabilities of my hardware though it doesn't rule out hardware failures.

However i think i may answer.
I noticed that the game only seems to fail on one desktop.
I downloaded the latest game version and installed with no mods.
The game ran fine.

I installed my modded ballparks folder and the issue returned.
I then deleted the ballparks folder but noticed it was still there.
Inside it were 3 ballparks with texture files i could not delete.
On my other desktops i could delete the files.
So i'm guessing they are ghost files?

I've tried command prompt, safe mode and i can't get rid of the files.
I guess the files must have got corrupted at some point.
Might have to do a clean install.

It sucks but it will give me a chance to reorganize this desktop and a relief to know its not my hardware or the game that was the problem.

It’s honestly not nearly as complicated as they’re making it out to be. And don’t let anyone convince you this is some kind of hardware failure just because of OOTP. That doesn’t really hold up.

If your system can run other games—especially ones that are far more demanding—without any issues, then your hardware clearly isn’t the problem. That’s exactly the case for me. Everything else runs perfectly fine, yet I still get slowdowns here.

[VVS]

for sure a memory leak i've had 2 pcs same issue tried all of the "troubleshooting" been turning off onedrive since 2001 and ootpaddy da goat

[HerbD]

This usually happens to me when I am either manually picking all-stars or manually picking awards.

[BarneyRubble]

After I turned 60, I've noticed I might have a memory leak.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Bagpipes5

It’s honestly not nearly as complicated as they’re making it out to be. And don’t let anyone convince you this is some kind of hardware failure just because of OOTP. That doesn’t really hold up.

If your system can run other games—especially ones that are far more demanding—without any issues, then your hardware clearly isn’t the problem. That’s exactly the case for me. Everything else runs perfectly fine, yet I still get slowdowns here.

So far it looks like those corrupted ghost files may have been the problem.
I saw two but there could have been more. I don't know how it would cause the problem i had but all i can say is that after a complete fresh install of windows i have not had the problem again. At least so far.
Of course it could have been some other software.
I do agree that the problem i was seeing wasn't caused by ootp or my hardware.

[BaseballMan]

Well i guess i spoke too soon.
Its doing the same thing.
It only happens on my desktop with the top components.
Thought it might be the oled ultrawide but my other desktop ran the same game fine with the same mods.
Though i havent using my non olded ultrawide with the problem pc.
I'm leaning towards the ssd or graphics but i don't have any issues with other games and i just did a clean install.
At this point i don't know what is causing it.
It slows my whole system down as well.
So much that i have to restart.
Its not a breaking point with me as the game runs fine on my other desktops.
its just weird and more of a curosity at this point.

[Pelican]

Originally Posted by BarneyRubble

After I turned 60, I've noticed I might have a memory leak.

LOL wait until seventy, when it becomes a gusher!

[Pelican]

I gather (and maybe this helps troubleshooting) that this is a PC issue. I play on two Mac platforms, and have not noticed any of this. My MacBook stores to its hard drive, while the Mac mini uses an external hard drive. No issues. I know the architecture for the files is different (cumbersome to transfer). Then again, if any Mac users report issues, I could be missing something.

[Lukas Berger]

Something we wanted to suggest to anyone having this issue.

If you can go to settings > 3d and facegen, try selecting one of the options to limit the max frames per second (toward the bottom of the screen).

It probably doesn't matter specifically what you choose here, just that you do choose one of the limited options (144 being the max) and not 'no limitation'.

If you do try this, it would help us to know if this helps or not, so please do report back and let us know.

[BaseballMan]

Well i think i finally have an answer.
My oled ultradwide was set to 119.98 Hz.
My non oled ultrawide was set at 120 Hz.
I had thought they were both set the same.
As soon as i set it to 60Hz it worked.
I had to change the setting in the Nividia control panel
to get it to work at 120HZ and 240 Hz.
So far it seems to be working where it was stuttering as soon as i started a game.
Wish i had caught that before going down the rabbits hole and i still don't know how my monitor got set to 119.98. Seems like a weird setting to have between 60Hz and 240Hz.
Well anyway it seems to be working

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Something we wanted to suggest to anyone having this issue.

If you can go to settings > 3d and facegen, try selecting one of the options to limit the max frames per second (toward the bottom of the screen).

It probably doesn't matter specifically what you choose here, just that you do choose one of the limited options (144 being the max) and not 'no limitation'.

If you do try this, it would help us to know if this helps or not, so please do report back and let us know.

I was having intermittent crashes to desktop (actually a complete crash to reboot). I could not pin down the reason or even define the circumstances well enough to file a bug report. I set this FPS option to 144 (same as my monitor setting) and I have not experienced a crash since.

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Something we wanted to suggest to anyone having this issue.

If you can go to settings > 3d and facegen, try selecting one of the options to limit the max frames per second (toward the bottom of the screen).

It probably doesn't matter specifically what you choose here, just that you do choose one of the limited options (144 being the max) and not 'no limitation'.

If you do try this, it would help us to know if this helps or not, so please do report back and let us know.

This seems to have helped immensely. In fact I was just about to close down for the day and write this post giving a clean bill of health when....a freeze. But for once it didn't require a PC restart and may be unrelated. The game had been idling for quite a while as I cooked and ate dinner.


I only noticed your post two days ago but before that I was restarting my PC several times a day, and since then...no memory leak. Until now, if that even was one.


So it looks good to me! I'll report back in a few days.

[Bagpipes5]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I was having intermittent crashes to desktop (actually a complete crash to reboot). I could not pin down the reason or even define the circumstances well enough to file a bug report. I set this FPS option to 144 (same as my monitor setting) and I have not experienced a crash since.

What if your setting isn't listed? 200 isn't an option...nor is 240 like my other PC.