High Pitch Counts - Page 2

pgjocki · 03-20-2026, 08:20 PM

In settings go to "STATS & AI" and look at the following

Pitcher Stamina on the left side
Starting Pitcher Stamina on the right side

On the left it's a drop down menu and I believe default is set to "Low"

On the right under "OTHER STATISTICAL MODIFIERS" and default is .986

You can try a new save and tweak these settings and you can always bring in the saved game from 26, change the setting, and sim forward or play out a dozen games to see if there is any difference.

To heavily caveat I play out all games where I just hit the space bar in 1-pitch mode and left the manager be in charge of defense and baserunning. All I do is substitions.

elibangkok · 03-20-2026, 08:25 PM

That worked in that pitchers had more stamina, but pitch counts still made no sense.

There doesn’t seem to be a foul ball frequency or average pitch per at bat setting anywhere visible.

ASullivan · 03-21-2026, 08:21 AM

Oh, good, it's not just me. I posted about this in the technical support forum yesterday with a statistical breakdown and everything. Looking at the superstats showed weirdly high whiff rates and low chase rates, which I imagine had a lot to do with the 65% jump in full counts.

Lukas Berger · 03-21-2026, 08:42 AM

We're looking into this.

tonnage · 03-21-2026, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

We're looking into this.

Thanks Lukas, my bullpen is exhausted and in need of some rest!

Highlander · 03-21-2026, 12:44 PM

I was just noticing this in my played out games as well. It has been a major shuttle between AAA and the big league club for sure. I don't mind bringing 1 guy up and down every so often, but it was getting a little crazy.

cwhitman · 03-21-2026, 05:54 PM

i have noticed a slight increase in perfect team: though it made the numbers closer to realistic: think i went from 3.5 to 4.1 or so.

LloydLungs · 03-21-2026, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cwhitman

i have noticed a slight increase in perfect team: though it made the numbers closer to realistic: think i went from 3.5 to 4.1 or so.

I hope they don't just revert it to how it was in prior versions, because like I said, I think actually pitch counts/foul balls were SLIGHTLY low prior to 27. I don't have hard statistical evidence of this but from playing out a lot of games, that was my impression. I think this is an example of a low-key improvement, sounds like they just need to tone it down somewhat.

ColumbusJets · 03-21-2026, 07:10 PM

What do the league accuracy stats look like?

dbl4868 · 03-22-2026, 02:00 PM

Any update on this issue? Want to start a season but would rather wait until this gets corrected.

MitchU · 03-22-2026, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elibangkok

Anyone else seeing significantly higher pitch counts when playing out games? Seems like an inordinately high amount of foul balls?

Can't get most starters through more than 4 innings without them getting over 100 pitches, even though they don't have many strikeouts or walks.

Having same issue as well. Fresh league, not imported from 26. I play batter to batter, not single pitch to pitch, but the counts are higher than in 26

cwhitman · 03-22-2026, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LloydLungs

I hope they don't just revert it to how it was in prior versions, because like I said, I think actually pitch counts/foul balls were SLIGHTLY low prior to 27. I don't have hard statistical evidence of this but from playing out a lot of games, that was my impression. I think this is an example of a low-key improvement, sounds like they just need to tone it down somewhat.

completely agree with this.

Rain King · 03-22-2026, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbl4868

Any update on this issue? Want to start a season but would rather wait until this gets corrected.

Aside from the developer who responded they are looking into it a few posts above?

Charlie Ricker · 03-22-2026, 07:28 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one having this issue, it's driving me bananas. For reference, I play games out pitch by pitch.

Thanks to everyone at OOTP for their hard work!

Charlie

Charlie Ricker · 03-22-2026, 08:20 PM

In addition, it seems like the control ratings for most pitchers are much lower than the last couple years' editions of OOTP. No doubt this is adding pitch counts across the board, too.

Charlie

ColumbusJets · 03-22-2026, 08:54 PM

Nobody has complained about poor pitcher performance. Why?

tonnage · 03-23-2026, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColumbusJets

Nobody has complained about poor pitcher performance. Why?

They don't get to stay long enough to be bad... Lol!

ColumbusJets · 03-23-2026, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonnage

They don't get to stay long enough to be bad... Lol!

They enter the game bad. If fatigue works as commonly understood there has to be an obvious performance decline. If should show up in the RPs stats. And given that tired RPs are throwing a third of the innings it should show up in the league stats.

pgjocki · 03-23-2026, 06:46 PM

So messing around a little this evening on MLB.com I pulled the pitching stats from the 2025 season for all innings pitched by team and then all innings pitched by Starters for the entire season.

This is fun because of course not every team pitched the same number of innings but I was suprised in that it didn't play out like I thought it would. Last year Seattle pitched 1,462.2 innings which was the league high and the Rockies pitched 1,407.1 innings which was the league low. I guess after the fact it makes sense that because the Rockies were so bad and were losing so many games they didn't have to pitch in the 9th inning on the road basically all season.

Now when looking at the breakdown of which team had Starters throw the most innings that crown went to the Phillies whose Starters threw 929.2 innings which was 64.5% of total innings. The team with the lowest percentage was the White Sox whose pitchers threw 657.8 innings which was 53.5%.

When taken further to look at Starters Inning Per Game the high was 5.74 for the Phillies and 4.68 for the White Sox. So the bullpen got absolutely abused in Chicago and their record reflected it as they went 60-102. Likewise the Phillies went 96-66 so the assessment of getting the most from your starters leads to more wins looks pretty solid.

Now the league average for Starters Inning per Game is 5.18...meaning that for all the complaining on the forum it appears the developers are really close to matching reality.

One last caveat, the analysis doesn't true for every team as the Dodgers had the 3rd lowest Starters Inning Per Game at 4.83 and finished with a record of 93-69. Granted they had a ton of guys hurt and protected them when they came back off the IL to save them for October...which is another interesting case study of I'm not sure how to replicate that in OOTP but it sure worked well last year.

The top 10 teams in Starters Inning Per Game had an average of 5.42 and they were:

Phillies - 93 Wins and Division Champs
Guardians - 88 Wins and Division Champs
Diamondbacks - 80 Wins, missed playoffs
Mariners - 90 Wings, Division Champs
Royals - 82 Wins, missed playoffs
Yankees - 94 Wins, Wild Card
Braves - 76 Wins, missed playoffs
Reds - 83 Wins, Wild Card
Red Sox - 89 Wins, Wild Card
Astros - 87 Wins, missed playoffs

6 of the top 10 made the playoffs which is good enough for me to suggest getting starters that can go further into the game will lead to more victories and a better chance at making the playoffs.

But this thread was about what should the developers set stamina to get as close to real life as possible in terms of pitch count and how deep into the game they pitch.

David Watts · 03-24-2026, 07:16 AM

Decided to manage some games this morning instead of just watching and I now think there may be something wrong with the way the game is tallying pitch counts. When I get home from work, I'm going to get the pad and pen out and do my own pitch count on a batter by batter basis using the game log. Hopefully others might do the same.

One thing I saw in the 3 games I played this morning is, every walk seems to go to a 3-2 count.

I thought I saw a pitcher for the opposing team get a batter out on 5 pitches but have his pitch total increase by 10.

I had a relief pitcher throw 2 innings. He gave up a run in the first inning and then walked 5 batters during his second inning. He threw 90 pitches over 2 innings. I really wish I would have did my own tally of the pitches thrown.

Going to be a long day at work, but when I get home I plan to really take a look at this. This could be a huge problem.

03-20-2026, 08:20 PM	#21
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,675	In settings go to "STATS & AI" and look at the following Pitcher Stamina on the left side Starting Pitcher Stamina on the right side On the left it's a drop down menu and I believe default is set to "Low" On the right under "OTHER STATISTICAL MODIFIERS" and default is .986 You can try a new save and tweak these settings and you can always bring in the saved game from 26, change the setting, and sim forward or play out a dozen games to see if there is any difference. To heavily caveat I play out all games where I just hit the space bar in 1-pitch mode and left the manager be in charge of defense and baserunning. All I do is substitions. __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

03-20-2026, 08:25 PM	#22
elibangkok Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 182	That worked in that pitchers had more stamina, but pitch counts still made no sense. There doesn’t seem to be a foul ball frequency or average pitch per at bat setting anywhere visible. __________________ Bangkok Softball

03-21-2026, 08:42 AM	#24
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 22,216	We're looking into this. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com Buy Out of the Park Baseball 27! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

03-21-2026, 12:44 PM	#26
Highlander All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,045	I was just noticing this in my played out games as well. It has been a major shuttle between AAA and the big league club for sure. I don't mind bringing 1 guy up and down every so often, but it was getting a little crazy. __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

03-21-2026, 05:54 PM	#27
cwhitman All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 611 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	i have noticed a slight increase in perfect team: though it made the numbers closer to realistic: think i went from 3.5 to 4.1 or so. __________________ OOTP affiliate streaming competitive content on www.twitch.tv/cwhitdcfc as well as strategy and tips content on https://www.youtube.com/@CWhitDCFC Free PT Data app: https://cwhitstats.com

03-21-2026, 08:21 AM	#23
ASullivan Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 4	Oh, good, it's not just me. I posted about this in the technical support forum yesterday with a statistical breakdown and everything. Looking at the superstats showed weirdly high whiff rates and low chase rates, which I imagine had a lot to do with the 65% jump in full counts.

03-21-2026, 07:10 PM	#29
ColumbusJets Banned Join Date: Aug 2025 Posts: 120 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	What do the league accuracy stats look like?

03-22-2026, 02:00 PM	#30
dbl4868 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 79	Any update on this issue? Want to start a season but would rather wait until this gets corrected.

03-22-2026, 07:28 PM	#34
Charlie Ricker Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Holley, NY Posts: 115	I'm glad I'm not the only one having this issue, it's driving me bananas. For reference, I play games out pitch by pitch. Thanks to everyone at OOTP for their hard work! Charlie Last edited by Charlie Ricker; 03-22-2026 at 07:29 PM.

03-22-2026, 08:20 PM	#35
Charlie Ricker Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Holley, NY Posts: 115	In addition, it seems like the control ratings for most pitchers are much lower than the last couple years' editions of OOTP. No doubt this is adding pitch counts across the board, too. Charlie

03-22-2026, 08:54 PM	#36
ColumbusJets Banned Join Date: Aug 2025 Posts: 120 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	Nobody has complained about poor pitcher performance. Why? Last edited by ColumbusJets; 03-22-2026 at 08:55 PM.

03-23-2026, 06:46 PM	#39
pgjocki All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Maryland - just outside DC Posts: 1,675	So messing around a little this evening on MLB.com I pulled the pitching stats from the 2025 season for all innings pitched by team and then all innings pitched by Starters for the entire season. This is fun because of course not every team pitched the same number of innings but I was suprised in that it didn't play out like I thought it would. Last year Seattle pitched 1,462.2 innings which was the league high and the Rockies pitched 1,407.1 innings which was the league low. I guess after the fact it makes sense that because the Rockies were so bad and were losing so many games they didn't have to pitch in the 9th inning on the road basically all season. Now when looking at the breakdown of which team had Starters throw the most innings that crown went to the Phillies whose Starters threw 929.2 innings which was 64.5% of total innings. The team with the lowest percentage was the White Sox whose pitchers threw 657.8 innings which was 53.5%. When taken further to look at Starters Inning Per Game the high was 5.74 for the Phillies and 4.68 for the White Sox. So the bullpen got absolutely abused in Chicago and their record reflected it as they went 60-102. Likewise the Phillies went 96-66 so the assessment of getting the most from your starters leads to more wins looks pretty solid. Now the league average for Starters Inning per Game is 5.18...meaning that for all the complaining on the forum it appears the developers are really close to matching reality. One last caveat, the analysis doesn't true for every team as the Dodgers had the 3rd lowest Starters Inning Per Game at 4.83 and finished with a record of 93-69. Granted they had a ton of guys hurt and protected them when they came back off the IL to save them for October...which is another interesting case study of I'm not sure how to replicate that in OOTP but it sure worked well last year. The top 10 teams in Starters Inning Per Game had an average of 5.42 and they were: Phillies - 93 Wins and Division Champs Guardians - 88 Wins and Division Champs Diamondbacks - 80 Wins, missed playoffs Mariners - 90 Wings, Division Champs Royals - 82 Wins, missed playoffs Yankees - 94 Wins, Wild Card Braves - 76 Wins, missed playoffs Reds - 83 Wins, Wild Card Red Sox - 89 Wins, Wild Card Astros - 87 Wins, missed playoffs 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs which is good enough for me to suggest getting starters that can go further into the game will lead to more victories and a better chance at making the playoffs. But this thread was about what should the developers set stamina to get as close to real life as possible in terms of pitch count and how deep into the game they pitch. __________________ - - - World Series championships: 1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, 2011

03-24-2026, 07:16 AM	#40
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,161 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Decided to manage some games this morning instead of just watching and I now think there may be something wrong with the way the game is tallying pitch counts. When I get home from work, I'm going to get the pad and pen out and do my own pitch count on a batter by batter basis using the game log. Hopefully others might do the same. One thing I saw in the 3 games I played this morning is, every walk seems to go to a 3-2 count. I thought I saw a pitcher for the opposing team get a batter out on 5 pitches but have his pitch total increase by 10. I had a relief pitcher throw 2 innings. He gave up a run in the first inning and then walked 5 batters during his second inning. He threw 90 pitches over 2 innings. I really wish I would have did my own tally of the pitches thrown. Going to be a long day at work, but when I get home I plan to really take a look at this. This could be a huge problem.