Historical Database Issues Go Here

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

1981 draft, John Cangelosi has pitching experience which leads the CPU to ignore him on draft day despite him having back end 1st round potential ability. Requesting to have his pitching line removed for the next patch if possible so it will remove that manual task of having to delete it.

Thanks!

fixed. Whatever patch generates a new .odb will reflect it

[omg_pwnasaurus]

Thanks!

[phillyguy73]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

We'll have to take a look at both 2021 and 2025, as there's likely some sort of bug in importing.

Thanks! I know there's much more important things with the game. The minor league issues I found are when you start from 1871 like I did and go forward all the way through 2026. Once the "skip all" I did went to 2025, there were no minor leagues and nothing for 2026. But when you start a live 2026 season, it's there.

[AESP_pres]

Harry O'neill have the wrong minor league id in the database... in the game it's oneill004jos but it should be oneill003har

It's with OOTP26 but I suppose it wasn't reported yet to be corrected for OOTP27.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Harry O'neill have the wrong minor league id in the database... in the game it's oneill004jos but it should be oneill003har

It's with OOTP26 but I suppose it wasn't reported yet to be corrected for OOTP27.

He looks correct to me in the database. What year are you in? Are you looking at C (that you linked to) or the pitcher of the same name?

[AESP_pres]

Got it, player confusion... he didn't load in my game (he's the catcher who only played in the field one inning and didn't got an AB in 1939). So to make a long story short I supposed the one showing after a search was him not another Harry O'neill.

Happen often with players who had a 0 AB career but I guess there's nothing you can do about that...

[atac15th]

I started an historical league starting in 1991 and the a's had no minor league system. I started a new 1999 league and again oakland has no minor league teams.

[omg_pwnasaurus]

I inquired about this on the main board but maybe this is a better spot considering what it relates to. I know it doesn't mean much in terms of outcomes and it's more cosmetic but it seems weird to me that a lot of pitchers' best pitches are no longer elite in the historical db.

Valenzuela has a screwball potential of 75 in '26 but in '27 it's average, well worse than guys like Mike Scott. I realize it's not going to effect stuff negatively if the sum of the parts is the same but it just seems weird and it seemed correct in previous versions.

Did something change w/r/t the historical db in this regard? I'm noticing it with many historical pitchers in this version and '26 (and before) seemed much more aligned with history for this. It's more of an immersion thing for me I suppose. Like Fernando w/o an elite screwball (scouting notes mention his signature pitch is a curveball), Nolan Ryan without an elite fastball, even if it doesn't really matter, just doesn't seem right. I started going through and manually shifting those values around but it's a lot of work lol.

Thanks!

[Caridnals-BK]

Al Cowens imports as 'Caucasian.'

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

I inquired about this on the main board but maybe this is a better spot considering what it relates to. I know it doesn't mean much in terms of outcomes and it's more cosmetic but it seems weird to me that a lot of pitchers' best pitches are no longer elite in the historical db.

Valenzuela has a screwball potential of 75 in '26 but in '27 it's average, well worse than guys like Mike Scott. I realize it's not going to effect stuff negatively if the sum of the parts is the same but it just seems weird and it seemed correct in previous versions.

Did something change w/r/t the historical db in this regard? I'm noticing it with many historical pitchers in this version and '26 (and before) seemed much more aligned with history for this. It's more of an immersion thing for me I suppose. Like Fernando w/o an elite screwball (scouting notes mention his signature pitch is a curveball), Nolan Ryan without an elite fastball, even if it doesn't really matter, just doesn't seem right. I started going through and manually shifting those values around but it's a lot of work lol.

Thanks!

So went over and updated Fernando's pitch types and quality. They looked long neglected for him. it's possible the game relies on them more than it used to (maybe b/c of advanced stats?) so if you see any other ones that look out of place, let me know. Everyone probably deserves an audit but for now, if you see someone - esp. a star pitcher that looks wonky, eel free to post it here. I'll take a look as I do.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Caridnals-BK

Al Cowens imports as 'Caucasian.'

fixed

[Caridnals-BK]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

fixed

Thanks!

[omg_pwnasaurus]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

So went over and updated Fernando's pitch types and quality. They looked long neglected for him. it's possible the game relies on them more than it used to (maybe b/c of advanced stats?) so if you see any other ones that look out of place, let me know. Everyone probably deserves an audit but for now, if you see someone - esp. a star pitcher that looks wonky, eel free to post it here. I'll take a look as I do.

Hey thanks! I'll just go through a couple of star 80's guys that look like their pitch type quality seems mismatched. Appreciate it!

[omg_pwnasaurus]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

So went over and updated Fernando's pitch types and quality. They looked long neglected for him. it's possible the game relies on them more than it used to (maybe b/c of advanced stats?) so if you see any other ones that look out of place, let me know. Everyone probably deserves an audit but for now, if you see someone - esp. a star pitcher that looks wonky, eel free to post it here. I'll take a look as I do.

Here's the top 15 names I found (this is from a save starting from 1981 if it matters). I think part of the problem is maybe with the advanced stats the fastballs got degraded cosmetically and to compensate so that the overalls still reflect star quality, it propped up the secondary pitches to the point where it can still retain the previous stuff ratings?

In any event, here's what I found:

1. Dwight Gooden (in 1981 he's created for draft pool) - In version '26, FB/CB best pitches (80/85 pot respectively), In version '27 SL/CU best pitches and FB/CB now average or below

2. Bert Blyleven previously had 75 CB potential now 50, curveball was legendary

3. Nolan Ryan - Fastball now worst pitch in '27

4. David Cone - Fastball now worst pitch in '27

5. Rich Gossage - Fastball now worst pitch in '27

6. Mario Soto - Changeup and Slider should be reversed, best changeup of the 1980's

7. Steve Carlton - Slider and Curveball should be reversed

8. Lee Smith - Has average fastball in '27

9. Bruce Sutter - Splitter and Slider should be reversed

10. Tom Candiotti - Knuckleball is now worst pitch

11. Ron Guidry - Slider and Changeup should be reversed

12. J.R. Richard - Fastball now worst pitch

13. Dave Stieb - Slider now worst pitch, arguably best slider of 1980s

14. Mike Witt - Curveball and Changeup should be reversed

15. Mike Boddicker - Curveball and Forkball should be reversed


Thanks!

[AESP_pres]

Al Campanis is listed in the database with an hispanic facial type but he was born in Grece so it should be caucasian.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Al Campanis is listed in the database with an hispanic facial type but he was born in Grece so it should be caucasian.

fixed

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

1. Dwight Gooden (in 1981 he's created for draft pool) - In version '26, FB/CB best pitches (80/85 pot respectively), In version '27 SL/CU best pitches and FB/CB now average or below

Akin to Fernando, some clean-up done.

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

2. Bert Blyleven previously had 75 CB potential now 50, curveball was legendary

This is the first on of these I checked and he actually looks fine in the database. Curve best then Fastball then Changeup. I'm not sure how much the game relies on some of the other details in the db but the Curve fwiw is ranked the highest the game can give it (excellent). I added his late career sinker as a fourth pitch and "fair". Unlike Fernando, there may be issues with compression of ratings or something else if it isn't actual db related like Fernando.

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

3. Nolan Ryan - Fastball now worst pitch in '27

Fastball rated Excellent and as #1 pitch in the db. Like Bly in indication of maybe another issue.

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

4. David Cone - Fastball now worst pitch in '27

Cleaned-up. We'll see if that helps

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

5. Rich Gossage - Fastball now worst pitch in '27

Cleaned-up

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

6. Mario Soto - Changeup and Slider should be reversed, best changeup of the 1980's

Cleaned-up. I actually made the Circle Change to the #1; it's distinct in the db from a straight change-up

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

7. Steve Carlton - Slider and Curveball should be reversed

Cleaned-up

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

8. Lee Smith - Has average fastball in '27

Cleaned-up

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

9. Bruce Sutter - Splitter and Slider should be reversed

Cleaned-up a bit but the important stuff looked fine.

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

10. Tom Candiotti - Knuckleball is now worst pitch

Cleaned-up a bit but the important stuff looked fine.

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

11. Ron Guidry - Slider and Changeup should be reversed

Cleaned-up

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

12. J.R. Richard - Fastball now worst pitch

Should have been fine. I cleaned him up earlier this year

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

13. Dave Stieb - Slider now worst pitch, arguably best slider of 1980s

Cleaned-up.

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

14. Mike Witt - Curveball and Changeup should be reversed

Cleaned-up.

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

15. Mike Boddicker - Curveball and Forkball should be reversed

Cleaned-up

So, on some of the fields I cleaned up, they never used to matter. Let's see if the next patch with a historical.database.odb update (not all patches have one) changes anything. If it doesn't, that's another problem but at least the database will be off the table as a point of focus.

[richaw44]

The Atlanta Braves roster lists "Mike Birkbeck" as a pitcher. By Baseball Reference he didn't play for Braves ever. Can this be fixed?

[omg_pwnasaurus]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

So, on some of the fields I cleaned up, they never used to matter. Let's see if the next patch with a historical.database.odb update (not all patches have one) changes anything. If it doesn't, that's another problem but at least the database will be off the table as a point of focus.

Awesome! I really appreciate it! Yeah I experimented a bit by just porting over the raw numbers assigned to pitches to '27 and the resulting cosmetic ratings weren't behaving the same as '26 at certain times, I don't think, I couldn't really tell exactly, so there might be something under the hood as well but we'll see!

Thanks again!

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by richaw44

The Atlanta Braves roster lists "Mike Birkbeck" as a pitcher. By Baseball Reference he didn't play for Braves ever. Can this be fixed?

He was in the Braves AAA system for all of 1993 and 1994. If playing with Real Minors and the AI promoted him to Atlanta that's a thing that can happen. His minor league stats look really good those years.

The only issue would be if you had real transactions/real lineups on and he was being forced onto an Atlanta line-up. If that were the case, let us know the game it happened in.