Babe Ruth hates ALL the coaches

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

So i am playing an alternate history; and its 1914. I drafted Babe Ruth to the team i took over Philly A's and have been aiming to try and develop him as a two-way player.


However its now 1915, and i am finding that EVERY coach, and i've tried all combo's of personalities, and no matter what, I always end up with Ruth's Development screen showing, Poor Development and Poor Relationship from his Pitching coach, Batting Coach no matter who i hire; even those who when i check 'relationships show at least being 'ok' where Ruth is concerned, but invariably i find that the relationship seems to just go South.


I have just sacked my bench coach and hitting coach for the same reason - i figure having all 3 of his coaches showing 'poor' development and 'poor' working relationships was gonna have a bad impact on all aspects of Ruth's development if i didn't act now.


But i am now looking at all available coaches, and for every single one when i click on the ensuing relationships tab for each prospective batting coach its shows Ruth always parked on right of screen within 'Poor Relationships. I've checked at least 30 prospective coaches.


I manged to hire a bench coach who at least Ruth is 'average' work wise, but even then his development relationship is still poor.


Why does he hate coaches?


I like playing with the personalities mode, but i am really struggling to understand what i need to do here - other than right now trade Ruth??
I am already having to pander to him and i've had to let good staff go in the process and it's still not fixed!


Any potentially helpful suggestions?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

And just to clarify I'm not looking to 'game' the outcome - but i just struggle to think that Ruth would hate EVERY coach I employ. The only thing i can think of, is could this be his personality trying to let me know via the game levers that he absolutely DETESTS me designating him a two-way player? Is this the game telling me that for Ruth both is not an option and i need to choose?

Or am i over thinking it , and it might be a glitch?? I've never encountered this type of issue before with another player- that is there is just an abiding dislike of most, if not all coaches by a player.

[MightyVotto]

Surprisingly, this is true-to-life based on biographies written about Ruth. He was a raging narcissist who didn't get along with anyone in power. He and Huggins clashed every year. Later in his career and in retirement, he really wanted to be a manager, but nobody would hire him for that. I think he was hired as a coach for someone but that was about it.

[omg_pwnasaurus]

What are his personality traits?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

What are his personality traits?

So i don't know if these change over time- i play with recalc off and development and personality on.
However what i noted is in my current game it shows Low for Adaptability, normal for Work Ethic, Intel, leadership.


However i just loaded up a new game at 1915 and checked the games historical version of Ruth and it said something like will argue every strike called, most looked normal except loyalty.

I don't change values in editor - but this whole save was me trying to see how would it work trying to make a 2way out of Ruth and how to leverage this with the knowledge that deadball era baseball is soon coming to a close.


I am tempted to try and fiddle and try and make a less antagonistic Ruth.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to the gentlest tweaks i might make to turn Mr Narcissism into at a minimum Mr Teamplayer ?
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[fredbeene]

i have never got an answer whether personality traits are random assigned, if you can make them static for certain players on import, if they can change during course of play /sim, if you can run reports on who is changed and changes over time.

[omg_pwnasaurus]

Originally Posted by fredbeene

i have never got an answer whether personality traits are random assigned, if you can make them static for certain players on import, if they can change during course of play /sim, if you can run reports on who is changed and changes over time.

I certainly have no insider knowledge, but in my experience of playing purely historical.

1. Yes, although to some extent, I *think* if the new save sees someone like 1982 Yaz playing 5 million seasons with one team and past successes, it might skew towards importing them as a fan favorite or something but for the most part, these def seem random. I've started new sims with Albert Belle being everything from IRL Albert Belle to a saint.

2. No idea

3. Yes

4. Doubt it, but no idea

[Jordan]

This is interesting and not something I've uncovered through play myself. Hopefully this gets some answers from someone who would know some of the questions raised

[Bobfather]

I would make a pivot with the coaches. I would find the coach that got along with most of the players on the team since you're never going to have one to satisfy Ruth. I also wouldn't hire a coach based on one player.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Bobfather

I would make a pivot with the coaches. I would find the coach that got along with most of the players on the team since you're never going to have one to satisfy Ruth. I also wouldn't hire a coach based on one player.

Cheers i agree that's the way i will go....................when i start a new league when OOTP 27 comes out


I was only a season into this save, but about 50 new game insights wise on that scale, so given the new release realistically won't be too far down the line, I think I might try and use this save to see how things play out with different scenarios.

I initially was not too concerned by, or more correctly, not going to act on only Ruth having a bad disposition to my coaches where the majority of his teammates were fine with them.

However i shared some screens of Ruth and asked Chat GPT some queries and our interaction landed that whilst it was ok for Ruth to probably not be super stoked with his pitching coach development wise, as long as the working relationship was at least OK this should be fine.


However GPT increasingly asserted that Ruth's batting development would likely be noticeably impacted by the poor development relationship with both Batting and Bench coach if i persisted with this setup. If i wanted to avoid this then i either need to trade him or replace the coach, now.

I am now just intrigued if this instance of Ruth is just a nasty piece of work who won't play nice at all with any coaching combo - or if there might be some that work. I bet if there is a combo that works out a collegial working relationship it will probably have the flipside of not working for most other players!


To all who have engaged with my post on my grumpy Ruth issue much appreciated..and given it looks like my ignoring this for a while and now reacting by sacking staff has likely borked this save anyway, if anyone has any ideas for testing for personality i might try, I'd be happy to try and post here for any insight it might provide.

[MightyVotto]

What you should try is importing another player with great potential who plays first base. If the player's last name starts with "G" that might work best. Then, see how cranky Ruth gets. Just be sure to keep the new player's wife/girlfriend away from Ruth.

[zappa1]

He's a stickler for hot dogs, though. Yum yum

[Curve Ball Dave]

Originally Posted by MightyVotto

Surprisingly, this is true-to-life based on biographies written about Ruth. He was a raging narcissist who didn't get along with anyone in power. He and Huggins clashed every year. Later in his career and in retirement, he really wanted to be a manager, but nobody would hire him for that. I think he was hired as a coach for someone but that was about it.

Exactly. For all of his greatness, which no one will deny, the Babe cared about the Babe and no one else. For instance there was no reason at all for him to try to steal second with two outs in the 9th during the '26 World Series but he did because the Babe did what the Babe wanted to do and he was thrown out to end the series.

He was a kinda sorta on paper player/coach for the Boston Braves the last year he played.