Interaction Of Settings With Auto-Calc

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

You should summarize what we’ve learned in a new post. No one is reading all of this

Some of my critics have fled the board. Perhaps they learned something and are embarrassed.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Scoman

And it would be nice if someone from the Official OOTPD historical team would chime in and verify.

It is plenty easy to test for yourself. That's a lot better than the contrary opinions posted here.

Go to the Stats & AI Page. Run Auto-calc. Then make an extreme change in League Strategy for SBs or bunting or pitcher stamina. Run auto-calc again. The modifiers for those events are different. Why? Auto-calc just over rode your strategy settings.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Scoman

And it would be nice if someone from the Official OOTPD historical team would chime in and verify.

How about Matt's post 139 HERE

In a random debut, if you want the league totals to match the historical values precisely, then you probably want autocalc. It will make sure that no matter the random mix of players in your league, you will get the right BA/K/HR totals etc from that year.


Forget the random debut part. Auto-calc doesn't single out random debut leagues. Every league regardless of talent performs like the historic league of the selected year.

In the Wiki HERE Matt wrote

Also if auto-calc of modifiers is enabled, that option may adjust some of the above strategy settings in order to match historical league totals.


Change "may" to "will" and you're on target.

All that's missing is telling the volunteer helpers they're wrong.

[Scoman]

It just seems odd that there is little to no interaction by the OOTD historical team or anyone else for that matter,except for you going on and on and on and on about the same thing.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Scoman

It just seems odd that there is little to no interaction by the OOTD historical team or anyone else for that matter,except for you going on and on and on and on about the same thing.

I'm not going on and on about the same thing. I'm trying to get what I've proven into the game documentation.

The OOTP volunteers interacted earlier in this thread. They have now fled the board. They can't refute what I have posted. Most of them have said "You're wrong and you're a troll."

Don't believe anyone. Either them or me. Check it out for yourself.

[Scoman]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I'm not going on and on about the same thing. I'm trying to get what I've proven into the game documentation.

The OOTP volunteers interacted earlier in this thread. They have now fled the board. They can't refute what I have posted. Most of them have said "You're wrong and you're a troll."

Don't believe anyone. Either them or me. Check it out for yourself.

That is what I am having a hard time understanding...Why would you have to do all that instead of some one of a official nature if it is all legit.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Scoman

That is what I am having a hard time understanding...Why would you have to do all that instead of some one of a official nature if it is all legit.

Don't believe me. Quit trying to analyze who is doing what and why, Test it yourself as I described earlier.

[Scoman]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Don't believe me. Quit trying to analyze who is doing what and why, Test it yourself as I described earlier.

It has nothing to do with not believing you and Tested pre-Calc, I’m an auto calc guy I’ve stated that several times before.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Scoman

It has nothing to do with not believing you and Tested pre-Calc, I’m an auto calc guy I’ve stated that several times before.

Would you be sold on it if you knew it worked as I say it does?

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Some of my critics have fled the board. Perhaps they learned something and are embarrassed.

It's a waste of time. I get the same results arguing with the wall

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

It's a waste of time. I get the same results arguing with the wall

They don't have any arguments. My data cannot be contradicted. Matt has posted auto-calc, not ratings and strategy settings, controls game output. The issue now is getting that information into the game documentation.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by Brad K

They don't have any arguments. My data cannot be contradicted. Matt has posted auto-calc, not ratings and strategy settings, controls game output. The issue now is getting that information into the game documentation.

As we've said repeatedly, the strategy settings and modifiers control the output. Auto-calc, though, can change the settings and modifiers to get to the totals it's aiming for. After the auto-calc runs, it has zero impact on results.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

As we've said repeatedly, the strategy settings and modifiers control the output. Auto-calc, though, can change the settings and modifiers to get to the totals it's aiming for. After the auto-calc runs, it has zero impact on results.

New auto-calc feature request. Let us pick a set of years, for example 1970-1979. Then when the game gets to opening day, have the game randomly pick a year within the chosen range to use for auto-calc. I know we can use a random number generator to do this, but having the game do it for us, would be so much more fun. It would work with pre-calc as well.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by Brad K

They don't have any arguments. My data cannot be contradicted. Matt has posted auto-calc, not ratings and strategy settings, controls game output. The issue now is getting that information into the game documentation.

Sure buddy. Whatever you say

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Sure buddy. Whatever you say

Surely you're not scoffing at what Matt has posted about auto-calc, are you? Surely not. It must be that you're scoffing at the idea the information will make it into the in game documentation.

I believe it will be added. It would benefit however many hundreds of thousands of people play the game. That way over balances a little more embarrassment for the handful of volunteers who help with the game.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Maybe the view is that putting additional information on the game screens makes them too cluttered. But at least lets have the official documentation of the game, the OOTP Wiki, give correct and complete information.

We have the following information presented HERE in the Wiki concerning League Strategy settings

General Strategic Tendencies enable you to customize the 'style of baseball' that your league plays. Most options have five settings to choose from: Very Rarely, Rarely, Normal, Often, or Very Often. Exceptions are noted below.

This is incomplete and leads to an incorrect conclusion. It needs an additional paragraph.

Some of these settings have no effect when auto-calc is selected. They are: Pitcher Stamina, Stealing Bases, Hit & Run, Bunting (Batters), Bunting (Pitchers), Ban Infield Shifts, Infield Shifts, and Catcher Framing Impact. If you want a change in these strategies to affect league output, please use pre-calc.

Suggestions for improvement appreciated. Should there be a disclaimer it is unknown if the other settings work? I don't know either way. Does anyone? Thank you!

Getting back to the proposal to update the Wiki, Matt subsequently stated the strategy can be changed and is effective if done after auto-calc is run. I didn't mention this as a possibility because I did it in some of my tests and was criticized for something like trying to defeat auto-calc.

Anyway, since changing after running auto-calc has been identified as acceptable, I think this is a better proposal for an addition to the Wiki.

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If auto-calc is used, strategy changes must be made after auto-calc has run on opening day. If changed before, they will not affect league or player output.

Auto-calc must be run with strategy showing the pre-set values. The next years pre-set strategy can be set to import automatically. If not on auto, do it manually before running auto-calc. After auto-calc runs, set the strategy as desired.

Strategy can be changed at any time if pre-calc is used.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Surely you're not scoffing at what Matt has posted about auto-calc, are you? Surely not. It must be that you're scoffing at the idea the information will make it into the in game documentation.

I believe it will be added. It would benefit however many hundreds of thousands of people play the game. That way over balances a little more embarrassment for the handful of volunteers who help with the game.

I'm scoffing at you. What Matt posted is how it's always worked and how I've always understood it to work. Seemed pretty explained in the manual as is, not sure what more info is needed.

League totals along with strategy and modifiers control the output. This fact has never wavered.

Pre-Cal and Auto-Cal are two completely different things.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

I'm scoffing at you. What Matt posted is how it's always worked and how I've always understood it to work. Seemed pretty explained in the manual as is, not sure what more info is needed.

League totals along with strategy and modifiers control the output. This fact has never wavered.

Pre-Cal and Auto-Cal are two completely different things.

If Matt's posts 139 and 172 are how you've always understood it worked, why didn't you defend me from all the people who said I was wrong when I, before Matt's posts, said the same thing?

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

I'm scoffing at you. What Matt posted is how it's always worked and how I've always understood it to work. Seemed pretty explained in the manual as is, not sure what more info is needed.

League totals along with strategy and modifiers control the output. This fact has never wavered.

Pre-Cal and Auto-Cal are two completely different things.

Perhaps instead of scoffing you could contribute to the game by commenting on post 176. Thanks!

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Getting back to the proposal to update the Wiki, Matt subsequently stated the strategy can be changed and is effective if done after auto-calc is run. I didn't mention this as a possibility because I did it in some of my tests and was criticized for something like trying to defeat auto-calc.

Anyway, since changing after running auto-calc has been identified as acceptable, I think this is a better proposal for an addition to the Wiki.

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If auto-calc is used, strategy changes must be made after auto-calc has run on opening day. If changed before, they will not affect league or player output.

Auto-calc must be run with strategy showing the pre-set values. The next years pre-set strategy can be set to import automatically. If not on auto, do it manually before running auto-calc. After auto-calc runs, set the strategy as desired.

Strategy can be changed at any time if pre-calc is used.

I thought there was a comment about setting strategy after running auto-calc. I can't find it so I must have mis-remembered. Since this not an official recommendation it should not be mentioned in the Wiki. We're back to my original proposal which is conclusively proven by my tests.

Some of these settings have no effect when auto-calc is selected. They are: Pitcher Stamina, Stealing Bases, Hit & Run, Bunting (Batters), Bunting (Pitchers), Ban Infield Shifts, Infield Shifts, and Catcher Framing Impact. If you want a change in these strategies to affect league output, please use pre-calc.