Question About Weaknesses

TRay · 12-13-2003, 10:39 AM

When in the Player Trade screen, it says that 3B is NOT one of my weaknesses. Does it take into account my minor league third basemen as well, or is it just the status of my major league players?

obaslg · 12-13-2003, 10:46 AM

Major leaguers only - I don't think it even accounts for minor leaguers who are ready for the majors, but I'm not sure.

TRay · 12-13-2003, 10:50 AM

That answers my question. Thank you!

TwinsFan · 12-14-2003, 09:13 AM

From my experience it takes into account your whole system, minors included.

TRay · 12-14-2003, 09:53 AM

As a test, I put my best thirdbaseman in the minors, nothing changed, and I traded him for a pitcher, and it still said that 3B was NOT a weakness.

Randall · 12-14-2003, 10:14 AM

Did you have 2 very good 3B?

sixfour210 · 12-14-2003, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by TwinsFan
From my experience it takes into account your whole system, minors included.

I want your version of the game, then.

I actually conducted an initial draft where I only drafted minor league prospects and it pretty much said my whole system was weak even though I had about six 5-star players on my team.

Even in regular play, I've had minor leaguers who were ready for the majors and they still said I had a weakness at that position. Maybe Markus or someone could confirm but doubt the game takes minor leaguers into account.

TRay · 12-14-2003, 12:24 PM

Yes, I had 2. And have 2 again. I traded just to see, then I did a restore to get him back.

Don't be too jealous of me Sixfour210... I was going with the youth movement with the Devil Rays, and now I hope I'm finally getting to a decent level. I had 38 wins last year! I made the real life Tigers look good.

I Am The Game · 12-14-2003, 11:18 PM

From what I've seen it takes into account your entire system, however only relates it as far as how they compare in the majors. So if you put a 5-star veteran 3rd basemen in the minors it will still come up as not as a weakness because you have a strength at that position in your organization. However, if you have a 5-star prospect who's playing his first major league ball and therefore is only like a 5 in average and 4 in HRs, it will still come up a weakness because in relation to the major leagues, it is, despite him probably going to be a stud.

sixfour210 · 12-14-2003, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by I Am The Game
From what I've seen it takes into account your entire system, however only relates it as far as how they compare in the majors. So if you put a 5-star veteran 3rd basemen in the minors it will still come up as not as a weakness because you have a strength at that position in your organization. However, if you have a 5-star prospect who's playing his first major league ball and therefore is only like a 5 in average and 4 in HRs, it will still come up a weakness because in relation to the major leagues, it is, despite him probably going to be a stud.

Well let me clear all this up. It only takes into account your gold star players, regardless of where they are in your system.

I Am The Game · 12-14-2003, 11:26 PM

Well not necessarily, if you create a 21-year old who's a stud, he will have blue stars...but come up as a strength. It just takes into account everyone, gold or blue.

TRay · 12-14-2003, 11:45 PM

On that note, at what point do the blue stars turn to gold stars, no matter how many or few players have?

I Am The Game · 12-14-2003, 11:51 PM

Well, after 26 or a number of major league ABs/IPs.

TRay · 12-15-2003, 12:55 PM

Thanks for the feedback, everyone!

sixfour210 · 12-15-2003, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by I Am The Game
Well not necessarily, if you create a 21-year old who's a stud, he will have blue stars...but come up as a strength. It just takes into account everyone, gold or blue.

Can anyone else verify this because it doesn't in my game.

obaslg · 12-15-2003, 06:17 PM

Just tested. My first statement was wrong. A AAA blue-star prospect with good ratings, text that says ready to be a quality contributor, and no ML experience at all will eliminate the weakness in the trade screens and FA screens. A top blue-star prospect in A-ball will not. I didn't test exactly where the line is between those two cases.

Using 5.14b, BTW.

I Am The Game · 12-15-2003, 06:30 PM

Don't know what to tell ya, does for me.

Brick · 12-16-2003, 08:26 AM

I have 3 CF. Two of them I platoon and the third is a superstar who also qualifies at RF so I play him there. However, for the purposes of weaknesses, OOTP5 considers him to be a CF, even though he starts nearly every day in RF. I have a listed weakness at RF because the only player primarily at RF is the 5th outfielder who plays the least.

obaslg · 12-16-2003, 09:23 AM

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Don't know what to tell ya, does for me.

I think our results agree - the A-ball star still doesn't have ML-level ratings.

potatoman · 12-16-2003, 10:22 AM

For me it takes account of AAA and ML players!

12-13-2003, 10:39 AM	#1
TRay Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 46	Question About Weaknesses When in the Player Trade screen, it says that 3B is NOT one of my weaknesses. Does it take into account my minor league third basemen as well, or is it just the status of my major league players?

12-13-2003, 10:46 AM	#2
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	Major leaguers only - I don't think it even accounts for minor leaguers who are ready for the majors, but I'm not sure. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

12-14-2003, 09:13 AM	#4
TwinsFan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Some planet in outer space Posts: 197	From my experience it takes into account your whole system, minors included. __________________ OOTP 22 OOTP 21 OOTP 20

12-14-2003, 10:14 AM	#6
Randall Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: VA Posts: 321	Did you have 2 very good 3B? __________________ Randall FORT - Atlanta Braves CPL - Pittsburg Pirates Formerly NABL - Philadelphia Phillies Formerly GMC - Vasto Rangers Formerly NBA - Atlanta Braves - 1973 Champ Formerly ThePBL - Anaheim Angels - 1975 Champ

12-15-2003, 06:17 PM	#16
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	Just tested. My first statement was wrong. A AAA blue-star prospect with good ratings, text that says ready to be a quality contributor, and no ML experience at all will eliminate the weakness in the trade screens and FA screens. A top blue-star prospect in A-ball will not. I didn't test exactly where the line is between those two cases. Using 5.14b, BTW. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

12-13-2003, 10:50 AM	#3
TRay Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 46	That answers my question. Thank you!

12-14-2003, 09:53 AM	#5
TRay Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 46	As a test, I put my best thirdbaseman in the minors, nothing changed, and I traded him for a pitcher, and it still said that 3B was NOT a weakness.

12-14-2003, 12:24 PM	#8
TRay Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 46	Yes, I had 2. And have 2 again. I traded just to see, then I did a restore to get him back. Don't be too jealous of me Sixfour210... I was going with the youth movement with the Devil Rays, and now I hope I'm finally getting to a decent level. I had 38 wins last year! I made the real life Tigers look good.

12-14-2003, 11:18 PM	#9
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	From what I've seen it takes into account your entire system, however only relates it as far as how they compare in the majors. So if you put a 5-star veteran 3rd basemen in the minors it will still come up as not as a weakness because you have a strength at that position in your organization. However, if you have a 5-star prospect who's playing his first major league ball and therefore is only like a 5 in average and 4 in HRs, it will still come up a weakness because in relation to the major leagues, it is, despite him probably going to be a stud.

12-14-2003, 11:26 PM	#11
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	Well not necessarily, if you create a 21-year old who's a stud, he will have blue stars...but come up as a strength. It just takes into account everyone, gold or blue.

12-14-2003, 11:45 PM	#12
TRay Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 46	On that note, at what point do the blue stars turn to gold stars, no matter how many or few players have?

12-14-2003, 11:51 PM	#13
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	Well, after 26 or a number of major league ABs/IPs.

12-15-2003, 12:55 PM	#14
TRay Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 46	Thanks for the feedback, everyone!

12-15-2003, 06:30 PM	#17
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	Don't know what to tell ya, does for me.

12-16-2003, 08:26 AM	#18
Brick Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A legend in my own mind Posts: 288	I have 3 CF. Two of them I platoon and the third is a superstar who also qualifies at RF so I play him there. However, for the purposes of weaknesses, OOTP5 considers him to be a CF, even though he starts nearly every day in RF. I have a listed weakness at RF because the only player primarily at RF is the 5th outfielder who plays the least.

12-16-2003, 10:22 AM	#20
potatoman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,410 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	For me it takes account of AAA and ML players! __________________ GFBL - Storm - 5 seasons - 500 - 310 New Jersey Nighthawks (1227-717) Last 5 seasons 2011: 118-44 2012: 100-62 2013: 111-51 2014: 106-56 2015: 108-54 OTBA Champions: 2008, 2010,2011