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Old 12-13-2003, 11:57 PM   #1
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Rahmann-Ruiz

UD for John Ruiz. Close fight,I also had Ruiz as the winner. Rahmann was hurt 3 times in the fight-Ruiz wasn't hurt once. As a matter of fact Rahman did absolutly nothing! John Ruiz controled the fight{meaning he forced Rahman to fight his fight]. John Ruiz while not pretty to watch-is very good at his style. He looked much stronger to me than Rahman. Ruiz is not a great fighter. However,he's much better than people give him credit. He's a good puncher[floored Holyfield]. Great chin[Only floored once 9 years ago]. His defense is good[he's not easy to hit with clean hard punches]. I would say he's an above average journeymen. Unorthodox,unorthodox,unorthodox,means nothing to me! Ali,Frazier,Marciano-were all unorthodox fighters! By no means is Ruiz in their league! However, I would now rate him as a better champion than Rahman the one punch Wonder. The more you understand boxing the more you have to appreciate Ruiz's ugly,ugly style of fighting
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Old 12-14-2003, 12:40 AM   #2
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While I didn't see the fight, it sounded like the Ref did a horrible job.

If you throw 1 or 2 punches then clinch and repeat that the whole night, you should be DQ.

I dont' want to watch two men hugging.
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Old 12-14-2003, 12:49 AM   #3
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The card has been disappointing but the announcers are even WORSE!!!!! Give me Big George et al...
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Old 12-14-2003, 12:51 AM   #4
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Agreed on the announcers. How many times has Virgil Hill said "I agree"? What do people think of the Mayorga-Spinks decision? I don't know how you could score it 117-110. How can you possibly only give Mayorga 3 rounds?
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Old 12-14-2003, 01:03 AM   #5
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Cory Spinks can flat out box-very,very good boxer! I'm very impressed!
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Old 12-14-2003, 02:03 AM   #6
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I thought the card was entertaining myself. Only true snoozer was Ruiz-Rachman.

Hopkins is always fun to watch and layed on it Joppy.
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Old 12-14-2003, 02:17 AM   #7
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Ruiz definently won the fight.
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Old 12-14-2003, 02:32 AM   #8
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I didn't see the fight but it was another low point for boxing. The fight was billed as a championship fight for the W-whatever INTERIM heavywieght championship. We don't have enough champions already? Now we are going to start naming interim champions, first runners up? If the champion fails to complete his duties as champion then the interim champion will be asked to step in. Its like Miss America. What a joke.
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Old 12-14-2003, 02:48 AM   #9
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I actually thought Mayorga won by 2 rounds. SPinks did look phenominal in surviving, but that's all he did.

Spinks can't get credit for pressing the action and he fanned on just as many punches as mayorga, they just weren't so obvious. The ref shouldn't have been taking away points either. In fact, he should have taken away points from spinks for running so much.

Very difficult to watch and a horrible matchup for mayorga.

The announcers were also absolutely pitiful. They were giving way to much credit for phantom punches that spinks supposidely landed.

Ruiz was horrible as usual, but did win
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Old 12-14-2003, 03:17 AM   #10
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Sounds like "the greatest night of boxing" didn't turn out that way. Makes me feel better about Comcast not letting me see it.
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Old 12-14-2003, 04:17 AM   #11
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sorry Big Trouble, but i had to weigh in here: spinks got credit for punches, simply because he was landing punches. he missed his fair share too, but was much more accurate, picking and pecking his way to a fine counter-punching performance. he also managed to get off first an obvious number of times as well. true, he never forced the fight in terms of coming forward, but that would have been silly for him to do against mayorga - spinks punches like he has pudding in his gloves ... no power. but there's only so much he can do about that. he stuck to his gameplan very well, in spite of all the rough-house tactics by mayorga, and even got comfortable enough to start throwing left-hand leads toward the last few rounds of the fight. the truth is that he was all set up to get "don kinged" on a decision. even with all of the points deducted from mayorga, we still got a 114-114 score??? ... c'mon, now! the 114-112 was bad enough. mayorga was most effective when he was holding and hitting, hitting behind the head, or hitting after the bell. in other words, when he was cheating. he was clearly frustrated for the majority of the fight, and after he found out by round 2 that his intimidation tactics weren't going to work, he had no other plan to fall back on. cory could have spared us the late fight theatrics the couple times that he made too grand a scene of what he hoped would be called fouls (i.e. his dramatic ducking and canvas work), but ricardo could have spared us the sight of him having the nerve to complain about phantom low-blows on several occasions.

anyway, i write all of this to say that cory was getting the credit he deserved during the fight ... which you had to figure would come from a guy like chris byrd, whose whole career is based on exactly those types of performances.
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Old 12-14-2003, 06:41 AM   #12
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On the other hand, Showtime had Hatton and Tackie, and that was a damn good action fight, which Hatton won decisively.
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Old 12-14-2003, 01:07 PM   #13
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Oh goodness, another fan telling me how someguy didn't win because all he did was that little thing some like to refer to as boxing. That's right though, you change the terms and refer to as "all he did was survive."

I mean, in all seriousness, how in the world would anyone have Mayorga winning by 2 points? Is this a joke? I thank God and everything that is good in this world that I don't have to watch fights with guys like you.

Someone make sure this guy never is allowed to judge any kind of fight, or pie-eating contest, bikini competition. . .

Here is one for the Counterpunchers, who never get enough respect. And here is one also for so called "boxing fans" who think that the sweet science should be based on nothing more that who can punch harder.

I leave you with this last bit of advice, taken directly from the typed words of BT77, which I find to be comical, if not typical, in regards to the ref during that fight: "he should have taken away points from Spinks for running so much."

Really??
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Old 12-14-2003, 02:06 PM   #14
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Roy has something like 120 days to defend against Ruiz or Ruiz is the WBA champ again. I doubt there'll be a rematch between those 2. Roy should fight either Tyson or Toney next.
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Old 12-14-2003, 02:09 PM   #15
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Big Trouble,are you serious? Spinks easily won that fight! Mayorga is very entertaining[he reminds me of Vinnie Pazienza]. Mayorga is also as strong as a bull! However,when it comes to the art of boxing[hit and not getting hit]Cory Spinks put on a clinic last night! As a huge fan of Marciano,I too am a fan of the brawlers. I also,like and respect a tricky slick boxer like Spinks. Mayorga's problem last night is he didn't press the fight enough. Even late in the fight when Mayorga was losing he didn't step up the pressure! Sometimes a brawler has to be willing to walk in and take a few to get his shots in.
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Old 12-14-2003, 03:29 PM   #16
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I TIVO'd the fight and slowed down Spinks' better moments and no telling blows really ever landed. Everything hit off of Mayorga's shoulders or gloves. In full motion, tho, it looked like spinks was landing great shots.

Moyorga was landing similar shots but there was so much steam on them that they had a much greater effect even though they didn't land solidly.

I will admit I am heavily biased against guys who decide to backpedel the whole fight. In the end, both guys had way too much energy and lack of battle wounds for a title fight of this calibur. That's all Spink's fault.

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Old 12-14-2003, 03:30 PM   #17
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Phew! My cable/internet was off all day yesterday, so even if they had shown it on free tv up here, I wouldn't have been able to see the card. From the sound of things, I'm glad I didn't get the chance.

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Old 12-14-2003, 04:33 PM   #18
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I was at the fight, and this match was garbage from the first round to the end. No one threw any punches, and they were booed the whole time. Ruiz somehow won, but he is in no way a champion contender... I'd take Wlad or Vitali over him in a heartbeat.
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