Lack of Missions this year is really disappointing

[Big Poppy]

Again OOTP has easy fix and can instantly change liquidity scenario with catch up through easy-moderate mission dump. Whales wont like the extra competition pushing up for below but it saves the next 4 months.

[LeeD]

My opinion is that the whales don't care about the rest of us. They're gonna do what they do, which is to acquire every new mega card...hell, every new card...within 24-48 hours. For them, the fight is about acquiring cards that aren't available through normal channels (PTCS rewards, Clubhouse Stars, etc.). That means tournaments and, to a more limited extent, performance in Diamond and Perfect League. They aren't gonna bitch about adding extra Pack Rewards for two Standard packs, especially since they'll just auto-complete them anyway.

[quizkid]

Originally Posted by Big Poppy

Again OOTP has easy fix and can instantly change liquidity scenario with catch up through easy-moderate mission dump. Whales wont like the extra competition pushing up for below but it saves the next 4 months.

How does having missions that require locking away even more cards help liquidity?

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

I think the biggest culprit are the variant cards. Players are no longer on even ground with one another. Especially in the lower level tournaments. The rich have the pp to buy all the good variants, and then level them up. For the most part, you have the same winner tournament after tournament.

I kinda wish there were only variants at Gold and above. Let the lower, larger and foundational part of the player base pyramid have the lower tournaments back at least. Or even just diamond and up.

[Big Poppy]

<How does having missions that require locking away even more cards help liquidity?>


World of Warcraft rules of the Auction House. Have active asset destruction or the economy self destructs.

[Big Poppy]

Only 2 variant cards pulled in 2 months (zero real money but usual hacks for packs).

But got three 100 cards at the same time, including Dickey and Mendez.

You explain the math to me .....

[Sinnerman]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

I kinda wish there were only variants at Gold and above. Let the lower, larger and foundational part of the player base pyramid have the lower tournaments back at least. Or even just diamond and up.

I wish. Some teams in iron tournaments were filled with the max, best variants 5 weeks ago when I started. Tried to keep up by utilizing some of the best (AKA cheap) defensive variants and non-variant best cards but it was too far behind the curve and sub-optimal. The big guys entered the snowball phase off the bat. Anyhow I just auto submit my lineups and lose now. Kinda like before but doesn't require time updating lineups so much more relaxed losing.

[Hwilensky]

Originally Posted by Sinnerman

I wish. Some teams in iron tournaments were filled with the max, best variants 5 weeks ago when I started. Tried to keep up by utilizing some of the best (AKA cheap) defensive variants and non-variant best cards but it was too far behind the curve and sub-optimal. The big guys entered the snowball phase off the bat. Anyhow I just auto submit my lineups and lose now. Kinda like before but doesn't require time updating lineups so much more relaxed losing.

And it shouldnt be like that. Especially if they want the regular people to spend any amount of money or even to get the casual person to play.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Sinnerman

I wish. Some teams in iron tournaments were filled with the max, best variants 5 weeks ago when I started. Tried to keep up by utilizing some of the best (AKA cheap) defensive variants and non-variant best cards but it was too far behind the curve and sub-optimal. The big guys entered the snowball phase off the bat. Anyhow I just auto submit my lineups and lose now. Kinda like before but doesn't require time updating lineups so much more relaxed losing.

And to clarify, I don't mean that the tournaments below Gold are offered not allowing variants, I mean I wish that variants didn't even exist for cards below Gold. The only reason to level up Silver, Bronze, Iron variant cards is to dominate tournaments whereas I see Gold and above as offering value in regular play in addition to tournaments. Heck, maybe just have just Diamond and above should be the only cards with a percent chance of getting a variant imo. It's incremental but significant value for those playing at that upper tier. I'm a casual player just wanting some fun and to not be effectively excluded from every corner of the game because I don't have any worthy variants.

[Hwilensky]

Originally Posted by Sinnerman

I wish. Some teams in iron tournaments were filled with the max, best variants 5 weeks ago when I started. Tried to keep up by utilizing some of the best (AKA cheap) defensive variants and non-variant best cards but it was too far behind the curve and sub-optimal. The big guys entered the snowball phase off the bat. Anyhow I just auto submit my lineups and lose now. Kinda like before but doesn't require time updating lineups so much more relaxed losing.

If they are going to make a game for people with deep pockets, then they should advertise it as such. They have completley sucked the fun out of the game!

[Big Poppy]

much better luck in tournaments with daily low gold and diamond. gave up on iron bronze quicks week 3.

[Big Poppy]

Going back to the title of this thread, been hoarding useless cards hoping for better missions. Is it going to stay this bad so I can sell all those losers and buy more relievers?

[Sinnerman]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

If they are going to make a game for people with deep pockets, then they should advertise it as such. They have completley sucked the fun out of the game!

Out of curiosity I checked the variant marketplace just now for Iron card L10 prices. 22 cards at over 10k cost, 12 at over 20k, and 5 over 60k. The topper is Mark Reynolds at 150k !!!, although it's likely a small sample size (maybe even 1). Currently you can get Yastrzemski at that price, I mean why... oh he probably already has it lolz. The whole reason in doing Iron was to keep cost low. Oops.

Wondering if variants are stronger at lower levels because the relative boost is greater? That's just a guess.

Maybe Poppy is right the other levels are more competitive? Unfortunately the newer cards (theme, rivalry, etc.) at most levels seem so OP and currently expensive compared to anything before that the investment seems prohibitive (can't imagine competing vs the variant versions). And I assume this pressure will increase as the season progresses with the newest, bestest, OPest releases. Plus if anyone moves to a new level it's starting from scratch.

Looks like we totally derailed the thread....

[rburgh]

Right now, the high bidder gets to buy the card at the next lower bid price. Si if you see a card you want, you just make a big bid for it early and then get most of your bid back a couple of days later.

That auction model is only good for blind, one-bid auctions. In this environment, it suppresses bidding and ends up with cards going much lower than their L10 prices for the most part.

[Big Poppy]

All I want for Christmas is a logical connection between PP and RM investments in players and performance.

40/60 split on the broad middle of mission and historical cards (all the big ones) where mission reward or 50,000+ PP 100 pitcher underperforms 60% of the time and outperforms 40% of the time. LIKE CLOCKWORK.

I know Mantle & Maris had 'bad' years but when you say PEAK it should be PEAK.

[tedster]

Originally Posted by Big Poppy

Going back to the title of this thread, been hoarding useless cards hoping for better missions. Is it going to stay this bad so I can sell all those losers and buy more relievers?

Kinda feels like it. I wonder if they got rid of whoever used to handle missions or if they just as a company decided to deprioritize them this year

[Big Poppy]

They lost their federal funding

[jd200600]

This has been the earliest that I have checked out of PT which is kind of sad. I really enjoyed the mode the first few years, but I now just log in twice a week and adjust my main team a bit. I open roughly 60 packs a week, from Twitch and a few tournaments, but never seem to hit anything of value. I am close to completing about 10 pack missions, but course, the cards needed are way more than the value of the packs.

[LeeD]

Originally Posted by jd200600

I am close to completing about 10 pack missions, but course, the cards needed are way more than the value of the packs.

The main problem with this years' cycle. In past years, there were enough new missions to move older ones to the back burner, which meant that the speculators moved on and prices dropped precipitously.

It's not confined to the Pack Rewards missions. Check out the Wakefield and Carew missions. Launch day. Nearly three months ago. Gold component cards still selling for 3-4000 points.

Where does this lead? Commonality for the masses, which is Gold and below. It's Live Series rewards for everyone, with the occasional lucky pull or IRL cash splurge salted in. No Build a Lineup tree. No Future Legends tree. A decent but surely-not-awe-inspiring start to Negro Leagues. I spell this situation B-O-R-I-N-G.

[jd200600]

You are spot on. I have opened up roughly 150 packs over the past two weeks, and have not pulled anything of true value. Nothing to move any missions along. I am going to go into this week with the same team that I have had for four weeks running.

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