NeL players in OOTP26

Jeff1787 · 02-28-2025, 02:28 PM

How many Negro League players were added to the DB?

Jeff1787 · 03-02-2025, 02:19 PM

I sure would like an answer to my question. Seems like the developers would know the number of Negro League players added to the database.

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

We've added quite a few new early era non-affiliated historical minor leagues.

Added in some MLE functionality to give better ratings to quite a few of the best historical NeL players and will also include those top NeL players in random debut.

Other tweaks and adjustments too, as always.

RMc · 03-02-2025, 03:58 PM

Sorry, but the devs are busy hiding from the dark agents of the En Pee Bee. (They're everywhere!)

Matt Arnold · 03-02-2025, 05:29 PM

I believe around 200-250 Negro League players have equivalency data. Around 3000 batting-seasons, and 1500 pitching-seasons. Otherwise, we're still always updating the regular data for all players as much as we can.

David Watts · 03-02-2025, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I believe around 200-250 Negro League players have equivalency data. Around 3000 batting-seasons, and 1500 pitching-seasons. Otherwise, we're still always updating the regular data for all players as much as we can.

Are the 200-250 Negro League players part of the MLB database or does one have to use historical minor leagues in order for them to appear?

Matt Arnold · 03-02-2025, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Are the 200-250 Negro League players part of the MLB database or does one have to use historical minor leagues in order for them to appear?

Both, in a way.

By default, the Negro Leagues will still function as they have in the past, where to enable the full Negro Leagues you enable to enable the historical minor leagues. But with adding these equivalency lines, we've also been able to add in effectively a few alternate setups.

One option is that in the regular historical game, we can import the Negro Leagues players to a regular historical league, and they will appear as free agents. So you could play a 1921 game and sign Oscar Charleston.

Similar to that, we can pull them in to a random debut game now, and they can appear alongside anyone else in that. Both modes are obviously optional.

David Watts · 03-02-2025, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Both, in a way.

By default, the Negro Leagues will still function as they have in the past, where to enable the full Negro Leagues you enable to enable the historical minor leagues. But with adding these equivalency lines, we've also been able to add in effectively a few alternate setups.

One option is that in the regular historical game, we can import the Negro Leagues players to a regular historical league, and they will appear as free agents. So you could play a 1921 game and sign Oscar Charleston.

Similar to that, we can pull them in to a random debut game now, and they can appear alongside anyone else in that. Both modes are obviously optional.

That sounds great. I've been using the incredible mod created by Lansdowne, Garlon, Luckyman and others I am failing to name. I love how the players they rated perform in random debut leagues.

Jeff1787 · 03-02-2025, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I believe around 200-250 Negro League players have equivalency data. Around 3000 batting-seasons, and 1500 pitching-seasons. Otherwise, we're still always updating the regular data for all players as much as we can.

Thank you for the reply!

snarls200 · 03-02-2025, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Both, in a way.

By default, the Negro Leagues will still function as they have in the past, where to enable the full Negro Leagues you enable to enable the historical minor leagues. But with adding these equivalency lines, we've also been able to add in effectively a few alternate setups.

One option is that in the regular historical game, we can import the Negro Leagues players to a regular historical league, and they will appear as free agents. So you could play a 1921 game and sign Oscar Charleston.

Similar to that, we can pull them in to a random debut game now, and they can appear alongside anyone else in that. Both modes are obviously optional.

thats a very nice option. while true minor leagues and Nel is historically correct I prefer to use the simplified minors of the basic option plus no color barrier. Espically since I have a semi if not full potato laptop

fredbeene · 03-02-2025, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by snarls200

thats a very nice option. while true minor leagues and Nel is historically correct I prefer to use the simplified minors of the basic option plus no color barrier. Espically since I have a semi if not full potato laptop

When can mexican leagues be added and equivalent?
Tons of players went back and forth from MLB to mexican.

textilemonster · 03-03-2025, 12:01 AM

There's no way to have historical minor league PLAYERS withOUT historical minor league LEAGUES AND TEAMS, right?

Edit: Changed 'with' to 'without', which completely changed what I meant to ask.

javier_83 · 03-05-2025, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

When can mexican leagues be added and equivalent?
Tons of players went back and forth from MLB to mexican.

same question if they have plans to add mexican leagues?

LansdowneSt · 03-05-2025, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by textilemonster

There's no way to have historical minor league PLAYERS withOUT historical minor league LEAGUES AND TEAMS, right?

Edit: Changed 'with' to 'without', which completely changed what I meant to ask.

If you were to take the MiLBMaster.csv, that is essentially as mass import starting place same as a .txt file which you can then import into any game with any structure. You don't have to do them all at the same time (yikes at the thought!) or bring them all in individually... instead just make some filters (MiLB debut year or no BBR MLB ID, so a career Minor league player, Debut-Final column would show you who was there for coffee and who had a long career, etc.) and then use the filtered list to whittle down the csv to something you can then import with a couple clicks into a game.

luckymann · 03-06-2025, 01:36 AM

There is another little workaround you can use but it can get tricky if you aren't careful throughout.

textilemonster · 03-06-2025, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

If you were to take the MiLBMaster.csv, that is essentially as mass import starting place same as a .txt file which you can then import into any game with any structure. You don't have to do them all at the same time (yikes at the thought!) or bring them all in individually... instead just make some filters (MiLB debut year or no BBR MLB ID, so a career Minor league player, Debut-Final column would show you who was there for coffee and who had a long career, etc.) and then use the filtered list to whittle down the csv to something you can then import with a couple clicks into a game.

Excellent, thank you!

textilemonster · 03-06-2025, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by luckymann

There is another little workaround you can use but it can get tricky if you aren't careful throughout.

Also thank you! I'll look into these.

Patsy Tebeau · 03-07-2025, 06:50 PM

Out of curiosity why can I not import players like Lizzie Arlington, who is in the minor league database? I know women players are not included in the game but for whatever reason it still allows me to import Kelsie Whitmore as a man somehow.

LansdowneSt · 03-07-2025, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Patsy Tebeau

Out of curiosity why can I not import players like Lizzie Arlington, who is in the minor league database? I know women players are not included in the game but for whatever reason it still allows me to import Kelsie Whitmore as a man somehow.

Kelsie was on one of the indy teams supported by OOTP so she is in the OOTP database. The game treats everyone as a he. To the database, it's just a name and stats.

Lizzie Arlington is not in the minor league database as far as I can tell.

Patsy Tebeau · 03-07-2025, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Kelsie was on one of the indy teams supported by OOTP so she is in the OOTP database. The game treats everyone as a he. To the database, it's just a name and stats.

Lizzie Arlington is not in the minor league database as far as I can tell.

Hm, what dictates the minor league database then? I was able to import minor leaguers like Michael Cody and Sleepy Simmons who were on unaffiliated minor league clubs (as all minor league clubs in that era were), and their B Ref tags are in the same format (ex: simmon001sle and stroud001eli)

Patsy Tebeau · 03-07-2025, 07:03 PM

Lizzie is listed on there under her actual name Elizabeth Stroud if you can't find her on B Ref

02-28-2025, 02:28 PM	#1
Jeff1787 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Doghouse Posts: 3,528	NeL players in OOTP26 How many Negro League players were added to the DB? __________________ 1903: The hatchet is finally buried

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textilemonster Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2024 Posts: 111	There's no way to have historical minor league PLAYERS withOUT historical minor league LEAGUES AND TEAMS, right? Edit: Changed 'with' to 'without', which completely changed what I meant to ask. Last edited by textilemonster; 03-03-2025 at 05:31 PM.

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luckymann Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 12,538	There is another little workaround you can use but it can get tricky if you aren't careful throughout. __________________ HISTORICAL DO-OVERS PIRATES A'S RED SOX DODGERS CUSTOM SAVES ECLIPSE LEAGUE MOON SHOT LEAGUE EVERYMAN LEAGUE

03-07-2025, 06:50 PM	#17
Patsy Tebeau All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA Posts: 850	Out of curiosity why can I not import players like Lizzie Arlington, who is in the minor league database? I know women players are not included in the game but for whatever reason it still allows me to import Kelsie Whitmore as a man somehow. __________________ They say follow your heart Follow it through But how can you When you're split in two?

03-02-2025, 05:29 PM	#4
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,439	I believe around 200-250 Negro League players have equivalency data. Around 3000 batting-seasons, and 1500 pitching-seasons. Otherwise, we're still always updating the regular data for all players as much as we can.

03-07-2025, 07:03 PM	#20
Patsy Tebeau All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA Posts: 850	Lizzie is listed on there under her actual name Elizabeth Stroud if you can't find her on B Ref __________________ They say follow your heart Follow it through But how can you When you're split in two?