Option years

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Rain King

If you see issues and want to be vocal about them in the forums in the hopes of getting them fixed, I would recommend the action of formally reporting them with as much detail as possible.

*Edit* - Also, if playing in a "10 pitcher era" my guess is this was a historical simulation which likely introduces additional circumstances such as limited players being available and should be specifically qualified in the initial commentary to provide full context.

No shortage of players. Retire according to history off and full historical minors.

It was last year in my save, 1970. I don't know how many players there were in professional baseball last year but this year May 71 there are 4,621 players = 192.5 players per organization.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Is there a specific thread/bug report you can point to on this issue?

Teams not having 2 catchers. David W reported an issue in the bugs thread around 12-1-24 with no response. Tittle of his thread

“Not sure what went wrong here.”

I myself have not experienced this issue but I think David plays a lot differently than I do. Maybe it has something to do with injuries and a catcher not being called up from the reserve roster or a FA signing but now I am just guessing.

[David Watts]

I've been seeing the 1 catcher quite a bit lately in random debut leagues. It' is not a lack of players issue. I've seen teams with only 1 catcher on 25/26 man roster and 0 catchers on reserve roster. Seen this occur with anywhere from 10-15+ catchers available as free agents. I do play with high short term injuries and normal long term injuries, but I also more often than not delete teams upon creating my league, so the fewer teams allows for more rounds in the inaugural draft and better roster depth. For amateur drafts I use either 6 rounds with enough players imported for 8, or 7 rounds with enough players for 9 rounds.

Catcher, shortstop and CF are the 3 positions I think the AI has to try it's best to always have adequate coverage, because those positions are the ones the AI can't just stick another player in and have them learn the position. Had an outfielder forced to catch 3 games recently. Even though he caught a 1 hitter in one game, he had 7 passed balls over the span of 27 innings.

[hefalumps]

I'll chime in on the 2-catcher thing - just moved my save from OOTP24 to 25 - getting ready for the first regular season in 25 and noticed three AI managed teams with only one catcher in their entire organization. Went in as commissioner and signed all three of them a backup catcher.

I have noticed this happen in 24 and previous versions in the past, but usually it's because someone got hurt mid-season and they didn't have enough catcher depth - I definitely recall making at least two or three mid-season trades with teams to give them a second catcher when I noticed that their catcher was at 0% and bright red.

As for the 10/15 day limit after optioning, I try to enforce this on myself as a "house rule. I assume the issue is not in implementing the actual rule but in figuring out how to prevent the AI from considering it and not getting hamstrung by it. Then you also have to consider the fact that another future CBA could come along and change that rule to something else, just as has happened with IL rules, draft compensation, etc. I'd love to see it and I think ideally it should be in there, but I can see why they've been putting it off. Not making excuses, just understanding.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I've been seeing the 1 catcher quite a bit lately in random debut leagues. It' is not a lack of players issue. I've seen teams with only 1 catcher on 25/26 man roster and 0 catchers on reserve roster. Seen this occur with anywhere from 10-15+ catchers available as free agents. I do play with high short term injuries and normal long term injuries, but I also more often than not delete teams upon creating my league, so the fewer teams allows for more rounds in the inaugural draft and better roster depth. For amateur drafts I use either 6 rounds with enough players imported for 8, or 7 rounds with enough players for 9 rounds.

Catcher, shortstop and CF are the 3 positions I think the AI has to try it's best to always have adequate coverage, because those positions are the ones the AI can't just stick another player in and have them learn the position. Had an outfielder forced to catch 3 games recently. Even though he caught a 1 hitter in one game, he had 7 passed balls over the span of 27 innings.

Dave, next time this happens make a backup of it and DM me and I'll find a way to get a copy of it. The hardest part is replicating this issue, but if you can, via back-up, essentially snapshot the game at that point, I'll post the files so it can be looked at. If it's 25, it might be in 26 unless it can be diagnosed as to the cause. And I reckon Matt might like the captured save at that point to do whatever he does to look under the logic hood.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Dave, next time this happens make a backup of it and DM me and I'll find a way to get a copy of it. The hardest part is replicating this issue, but if you can, via back-up, essentially snapshot the game at that point, I'll post the files so it can be looked at. If it's 25, it might be in 26 unless it can be diagnosed as to the cause. And I reckon Matt might like the captured save at that point to do whatever he does to look under the logic hood.

I may need help in getting that done. Not the most computer savvy guy. I will let you know if I see it again. Hoping they can get the logic written so teams always carry at least 3 catchers. I also hope this has nothing to do with the fact that I don't use minor leagues. I much prefer reserve rosters, but if adding minor leagues is the answer, I would be willing to add them.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I may need help in getting that done. Not the most computer savvy guy. I will let you know if I see it again. Hoping they can get the logic written so teams always carry at least 3 catchers. I also hope this has nothing to do with the fact that I don't use minor leagues. I much prefer reserve rosters, but if adding minor leagues is the answer, I would be willing to add them.

No worries. As long as you back it up through the OOTP backup process from the File dropdown at the top of the in-game header (vs the usual just saving) that will let you keep playing while still freezing the game where it needs to be for Matt to get what I think will be the best look at it. As for getting it to me, I'll figure out an easy upload solution. It may just be certain files he needs (usually the .dat ones) - but whatever it is, I'll give specific steps on how to get the file (or parts thereof) to me or directly to the OOTP file upload folder. I just finally want to get a file to them where the issue is already presenting itself.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I may need help in getting that done. Not the most computer savvy guy. I will let you know if I see it again. Hoping they can get the logic written so teams always carry at least 3 catchers. I also hope this has nothing to do with the fact that I don't use minor leagues. I much prefer reserve rosters, but if adding minor leagues is the answer, I would be willing to add them.

It's not due to minor leagues. I've seen it in a save with historical minors and career minor leaguers eligible for MLB.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by hefalumps

As for the 10/15 day limit after optioning . . . Then you also have to consider the fact that another future CBA could come along and change that rule to something else, just as has happened with IL rules, draft compensation, etc.

When there are CBA changes, especially in the free agency realm, OOTP tries to create these, though sometimes too much in a piecemeal fashion for my tastes.

The 15-day stay for pitchers started in 2021. Prior to that it was 10 days for all players, a rule first adopted in the early 1950s. That means it's been around for some 70 years. It's one of longer lasting transaction rules.