Pre-2012 CBA Free Agent Compensation (A/B System) No Worky

[actionjackson]

I've had it set to that setting on my Financials page since the start of this game, and it refuses to rank free agents as Type A, Type B, or No Compensation free agents. Everybody's a No Compensation guy. I'm at the end of my first season (1901), and the end of my rope (1st world problem rope). Despite that season being a time when free agency did not exist, it has always, always worked for me in previous versions. What the bleepin' bleep? Please help a brother out. Thanks in advance.

[ayaghmour2]

Worked for me in 1901 with a historical league, so more information is needed

Is the draft turned on? Do you have history prior to 1901? Are the free agents actually any good? What type of league are you using?

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by ayaghmour2

Worked for me in 1901 with a historical league, so more information is needed

Is the draft turned on? Do you have history prior to 1901? Are the free agents actually any good? What type of league are you using?

Draft on. No history prior to 1901. Usual mix of free agents ranging from superstars to duds. Random debut league. I've played RD since it came out, and have always started in 1901. As I said, it has always worked for me in RD.

I just went through and slapped my own A's and B's together based on some stats. 14 A's (top 20%), 15 B's (top 21-40%) in a 73 free agent field. A/B setting is still on in Financials. Not confident it'll work, but we'll see when the next draft rolls around after the 1902 playoffs. I've always done it this way, and it has always worked, so I'm confuzzled as to what went wrong this time.

I've always run the draft a safe amount of time after the playoffs are over. I used to run it earlier, but then some draftees would show up in the playoffs, which was weird. This draft happened to run on the same day as the free agents declared, but I don't think the 1901 draft would have anything to do with how the compensation picks will be distributed in the 1902 draft. I'm gonna test in a parallel league with all the same settings, and see if the 1902 draft will work, but this has me baffled. That league is now at the start of 1901, IIRC.

[actionjackson]

Thanks to LGO, I've changed my A/B comp settings to A (top 20%), and B (21%-30%), and they look much better. Had to do my own based on stats though, because the game sure didn't. Could've been a one-time annoyance, and that's why I'll run some tests. I'm going to try to run a couple of parallel universe games to see what I can see. Maybe making the free agents declare on the same day as the draft is borking it somehow. Don't know if the one I've got going will work, but maybe I can grab one of these two parallel games and go with it. 'Twould be a shame to lose it because some brash young kid named Cobb just went number one overall.

[ayaghmour2]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Draft on. No history prior to 1901. Usual mix of free agents ranging from superstars to duds. Random debut league. I've played RD since it came out, and have always started in 1901. As I said, it has always worked for me in RD.

I just went through and slapped my own A's and B's together based on some stats. 14 A's (top 20%), 15 B's (top 21-40%) in a 73 free agent field. A/B setting is still on in Financials. Not confident it'll work, but we'll see when the next draft rolls around after the 1902 playoffs. I've always done it this way, and it has always worked, so I'm confuzzled as to what went wrong this time.

I've always run the draft a safe amount of time after the playoffs are over. I used to run it earlier, but then some draftees would show up in the playoffs, which was weird. This draft happened to run on the same day as the free agents declared, but I don't think the 1901 draft would have anything to do with how the compensation picks will be distributed in the 1902 draft. I'm gonna test in a parallel league with all the same settings, and see if the 1902 draft will work, but this has me baffled. That league is now at the start of 1901, IIRC.

Yeah I think the issue is there were no previous stats. Not sure if that was the case in the past though.

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Thanks to LGO, I've changed my A/B comp settings to A (top 20%), and B (21%-30%), and they look much better. Had to do my own based on stats though, because the game sure didn't. Could've been a one-time annoyance, and that's why I'll run some tests. I'm going to try to run a couple of parallel universe games to see what I can see. Maybe making the free agents declare on the same day as the draft is borking it somehow. Don't know if the one I've got going will work, but maybe I can grab one of these two parallel games and go with it. 'Twould be a shame to lose it because some brash young kid named Cobb just went number one overall.

Free agency same day as the draft could be it too. Probably best to have the draft after FA file, but curious to see if it fixes itself once you get more seasons. I vaugely remember A/B compensation being based off two seasons (current and past) but can't find any information on it online

Curious to see what you find though

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by ayaghmour2

Yeah I think the issue is there were no previous stats. Not sure if that was the case in the past though.



Free agency same day as the draft could be it too. Probably best to have the draft after FA file, but curious to see if it fixes itself once you get more seasons. I vaugely remember A/B compensation being based off two seasons (current and past) but can't find any information on it online

Curious to see what you find though

With regards to free agents and the draft, the way mine always worked was that the free agents would file after the draft (I think). The compensatory picks would be handed out in the 1902 draft (based on where the 1901 free agents wound up), but the draft order would be based on the 1902 final standings. I really liked it that way. I'm gonna see what my draft dates were, and change them to that and see if it does the trick.

[actionjackson]

OOTP 21: Draft and Free Agency Filings both held on November 10th, 1934. 1935 draft looks peachy keen with all kinds of supplemental picks. I chose November 10th for the draft, and the game chose November 10th for the free agency filings and nothing bad happened. I'll see if I can get the year before. I'm checking this to refresh my memory of what used to happen in my games. In OOTP 25, both the draft and free agency filings were held on the same day, and it no worky. Just trying to figure out if there's an "ideal" time to put the draft. I like to have it after the playoffs for the reasons I stated above.

[actionjackson]

Same game: draft Nov 10, 1933, Free agency filings Nov 11, 1933. 1934 draft has compensatory picks. It's OOTP21, but the days of draft and filings don't seem to matter. Compensatory picks are in the 1933 draft. Can't see the 1932 free agent filings which would've determined them though. Too far back.

[ayaghmour2]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

With regards to free agents and the draft, the way mine always worked was that the free agents would file after the draft (I think). The compensatory picks would be handed out in the 1902 draft (based on where the 1901 free agents wound up), but the draft order would be based on the 1902 final standings. I really liked it that way. I'm gonna see what my draft dates were, and change them to that and see if it does the trick.

This is what I usually do and it tends to work well. Usually like five or so days before

[actionjackson]

Using a test league, I did get the game to give out some form of compensatory picks in the 1901 draft. I have no idea how it was arrived at, or why mine came out slightly different (not much), but Markus has to keep his secrets, or people will be able to game the game. I set the draft to November 7th every year, simmed ahead to the 1902 free agency filings, and everybody was given a type. Some of them were questionable to me (in terms of playing time, and quality of player season), but it should be in the hands of the lords of the OOTP realm, and not me, I s'pose. I guess I can carry on with this league knowing that all is well.

A 23-year old Babe Ruth went absolutely bonkers in that test league, but if anybody is to go bonkers in any league, it should be him I guess. Never seen anything like it in all my time playing. Absolute dominance. Didn't lead his team to championship glory, but did drag them into the postseason. He had 15.5 WAR, and they got in by 8 games, so I think a lot of the credit should go to him. Somehow they "only" scored 834 runs, which is a realistic number, but he was certainly responsible for a large sum of them. A couple of teams in his sub-league bore the brunt of his rampage, but they were where leaky pitching/defensive teams should be in terms of suckage. Thanks for the help ayaghmour2.

[Le Grande Orange]

It's a pity OOTP no longer supports the 1985-2006 free agency system, even though versions prior to 2007 included the basics of it. (OOTP never recreated the 1976-1980 and 1981-1984 free agency systems. But in my view OOTP should model all the free agency systems so users can try them all out.)

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Using a test league, I did get the game to give out some form of compensatory picks in the 1901 draft. I have no idea how it was arrived at, or why mine came out slightly different (not much), but Markus has to keep his secrets, or people will be able to game the game. I set the draft to November 7th every year, simmed ahead to the 1902 free agency filings, and everybody was given a type. Some of them were questionable to me (in terms of playing time, and quality of player season), but it should be in the hands of the lords of the OOTP realm, and not me, I s'pose. I guess I can carry on with this league knowing that all is well.

A 23-year old Babe Ruth went absolutely bonkers in that test league, but if anybody is to go bonkers in any league, it should be him I guess. Never seen anything like it in all my time playing. Absolute dominance. Didn't lead his team to championship glory, but did drag them into the postseason. He had 15.5 WAR, and they got in by 8 games, so I think a lot of the credit should go to him. Somehow they "only" scored 834 runs, which is a realistic number, but he was certainly responsible for a large sum of them. A couple of teams in his sub-league bore the brunt of his rampage, but they were where leaky pitching/defensive teams should be in terms of suckage. Thanks for the help ayaghmour2.

I think what's happening is that when the draft runs, we re-set the compensation status of free agents. In MLB, since the draft is mid-season, that makes sure that any player that signs after the draft doesn't add a pick on them, they become "free" to sign.

In your first sample, if the draft is on the same day that FA file, since FA file at the start of the day, and the draft is middle/later, it's resetting them immediately. In the latest sample where the draft is before, you don't run into the same problem.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I think what's happening is that when the draft runs, we re-set the compensation status of free agents. In MLB, since the draft is mid-season, that makes sure that any player that signs after the draft doesn't add a pick on them, they become "free" to sign.

In your first sample, if the draft is on the same day that FA file, since FA file at the start of the day, and the draft is middle/later, it's resetting them immediately. In the latest sample where the draft is before, you don't run into the same problem.

Yeah, I moved the draft date to November 7th, which is about the earliest I can go, given final day of the postseason possibilities as history unfolds. I want it to stay on one specific date, rather than moving it around all the time, and this is what I came up with. I don't think I've ever seen free agents file before November 10th, regardless of when the postseason ends, so I think I'll be gucci. Thanks for getting back to me Matt.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Yeah, I moved the draft date to November 7th, which is about the earliest I can go, given final day of the postseason possibilities as history unfolds.

The latest date the 7th game of the World Series has ever been scheduled for Nov. 5th in. 2022 and 2009.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The latest date the 7th game of the World Series has ever been scheduled for Nov. 5th in. 2022 and 2009.

That's what it would be in mine too. So, I'm gonna give it a couple of days for all the things the AI does at the end of the season, but keep it before the Amateur Draft. Should work.

EDIT: Keep the Draft before the free agent filings. Brain no worky.