Anyone playing Random Debut with Retire According To History

[David Watts]

Would love to hear from anyone that is playing random debut with retire according to history turned on. How is the game doing in regards to current day players that have moved past their real life playing time? Is the game aging these players in a way that they are declining over the years, or are the players simply repeating their final (final real season) over and over again. Would really like it if someone has a Bobby Witt Jr, Ronald Acuna, Aaron Judge, Dante Bichette, Vlad Jr etc that's now in their mid to late 30's they can report on. Thanks.

[Reed]

David has seen some of my results. It does make a difference for the guys that played irl in 2023 if you have development on or off for after their 2023 irl year.

[twins_34]

I have posted time and time again that retire according to history only affects historic players. It will have no effect on players that have not retired. Retire according to history only affects players, that in the database, have a retirement age. People like Vladdy Jr, and Aaron judge, Joe ryan, or Justin Verlander will have nothing to do with retire according to history. Retire according to history affects only people like Babe Ruth, Joe Gimaggio, Ted Williams, Nolan Ryan, or Joe Mauer. People who have actually retired. People who have never retired, retire according to history, will not work on them and have no effect on them. Now the Developers, from my understanding, when recalc runs out, have placed a system in that will help retire a player, or age a player, when they get older. Now I'm not 100% on how it works but it has absolutely nothing to do with retire according to history.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by twins_34

Now the Developers, from my understanding, when recalc runs out, have placed a system in that will help retire a player, or age a player, when they get older. Now I'm not 100% on how it works but it has absolutely nothing to do with retire according to history.

This is what he is asking about...you could use a chill pill.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by twins_34

I have posted time and time again that retire according to history only affects historic players. It will have no effect on players that have not retired. Retire according to history only affects players, that in the database, have a retirement age. People like Vladdy Jr, and Aaron judge, Joe ryan, or Justin Verlander will have nothing to do with retire according to history. Retire according to history affects only people like Babe Ruth, Joe Gimaggio, Ted Williams, Nolan Ryan, or Joe Mauer. People who have actually retired. People who have never retired, retire according to history, will not work on them and have no effect on them. Now the Developers, from my understanding, when recalc runs out, have placed a system in that will help retire a player, or age a player, when they get older. Now I'm not 100% on how it works but it has absolutely nothing to do with retire according to history.

Just go away. You don't even understand what we are talking about. You are so hell bent that you know everything, that you're almost a troll. My question has to do with how the game is handling current day players that SINCE THEY HAVEN'T RETIRED, WILL PLAY ON ONCE THEY REACH THEIR FINAL RECALC YEAR!!!!! When they added RAH, they clearly said players like this will age gradually and retire. If they are, that's great, but if they are simply replaying their final season of recalc over and over again until they retire, that's an issue. Trying to decide if I want to set my maximum to 2022 and force current day players to retire at the year corresponding to 2022 or let current day players play past their last recalc year.

I don't need you telling me about Ted Williams and Babe Ruth. I never even brought them up.

[Rain King]

It should be pretty easy to test this.

I went ahead and created a new league using Recalc + Development. I had it seed the league with Modern players 2015-2023....then adjusted to allow players from throughout history to come in going forward. I'm currently simming about 15 years ahead.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Rain King

It should be pretty easy to test this.

I went ahead and created a new league using Recalc + Development. I had it seed the league with Modern players 2015-2023....then adjusted to allow players from throughout history to come in going forward. I'm currently simming about 15 years ahead.

You want to have development off. Recalc with retire according to history turned on.
I ran a league from 1947-1975 last night. Random debut, 3 year recalc players from 1901-current day. Development off. retire according to history on.

Giancarlo Stanton played until he was around 35 or 36. He isn't a good person to use though, as his real life 2022 was dreadful. Manny Machado is still playing in this test. Want to say he's around 38 years old. He has around 2700 hits.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Just go away. You don't even understand what we are talking about. You are so hell bent that you know everything, that you're almost a troll. My question has to do with how the game is handling current day players that SINCE THEY HAVEN'T RETIRED, WILL PLAY ON ONCE THEY REACH THEIR FINAL RECALC YEAR!!!!! When they added RAH, they clearly said players like this will age gradually and retire. If they are, that's great, but if they are simply replaying their final season of recalc over and over again until they retire, that's an issue. Trying to decide if I want to set my maximum to 2022 and force current day players to retire at the year corresponding to 2022 or let current day players play past their last recalc year.

I don't need you telling me about Ted Williams and Babe Ruth. I never even brought them up.

They never added RAH. It has always been an option. RAH is not even on by default in RD. It is an option you can turn on.

They only changed how RAH works and I have said that in 2 of your 3 posts (now all 3) on this very same subject about this! Also yeah, I kinda know how RAH works because I helped get it fixed and I helped test it.

How do you deal with the pretty much players from 2005 (Verlander, Votto, Charlie Morton) and everyone their age and after 2023? For these players all you can do is also have the development engine on with recalc like the default is setup is set. There is a reason that recalc + development engine is the default for RD.

So first picture if of OOTP21 showing that RAH has always been in the game.

If you really want to solve your issues with post 2023 players, set your Max years for RD to like 2015. Then you know players coming in have at least 9 years of recalc, then after it runs out, allow the dev engine to take over and finish them off.

Set your game up like the second picture and you will probably get the results you want. And of course you will need to turn on RAH as it is not a default setting. But if you want your Max year to be 2023, then same setup, keep development engine on with recalc. There is a reason to the madness of the Dev Team that setup the historical wizards.

I have not been trolling you at all. I have been trying to help you in each of your posts and you have in turn decided to fight with me and spreading info that was not true about RAH. I was trying to correct you in how the RAH system worked and that something you were blaming on RAH was in fact part of recalc. Also, trying to inform you that RAH has been in the game for years and it is not new.

But I know you wont listen to my advice because you think I am a troll, but we did set these historical wizards, to work out of the box, correctly. Let the Development Engine take care of the players that run out of recalc. you can also play totally without recalc and just the dev engine. Either one of these options will work with the post 2023 players.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by David Watts

When they added RAH, they clearly said players like this will age gradually and retire.

Please link this post because it should have nothing to do with RAH and everything to do when recalc is on and development is off. RAH only retires people who are in the database as retired. It does nothing to development of the player itself.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by David Watts

You want to have development off. Recalc with retire according to history turned on.
I ran a league from 1947-1975 last night. Random debut, 3 year recalc players from 1901-current day. Development off. retire according to history on.

Giancarlo Stanton played until he was around 35 or 36. He isn't a good person to use though, as his real life 2022 was dreadful. Manny Machado is still playing in this test. Want to say he's around 38 years old. He has around 2700 hits.

What are your Adjust/Weaken settings? Want to make sure I am doing a like-for-like test.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by twins_34

Let the Development Engine take care of the players that run out of recalc. you can also play totally without recalc and just the dev engine. Either one of these options will work with the post 2023 players.

Let the development engine take care of the players that run out of recalc sort of works or sort of doesn’t work for players that played in 2023 depending on how you look at it. RAH is on but that is not the issue or what David is asking about. He is asking what happens to players that played IRL in 2023. The question is what will happen in the following circumstance.

1. With Recalc on, Development off players, especially good players like Lindor, Olson, Seager, etc.. What happens? Normal development DOES NOT kick in. Answer- they will play until age 40-41. Their ratings/stat output will vary some but in general stay close to the ratings they had in their 2023 IRL season.
2. With Recalc on, Development on. What happens to these players that played in 2023 IRL? Normal development will kick in when they past their 2023 age. In other words, normal aging pattern. They will start a downward trend around age 32. Their ratings/stats reflect their ratings and go down. They will retire around 36-39 years old.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by twins_34

They never added RAH. It has always been an option. RAH is not even on by default in RD. It is an option you can turn on.

They only changed how RAH works and I have said that in 2 of your 3 posts (now all 3) on this very same subject about this! Also yeah, I kinda know how RAH works because I helped get it fixed and I helped test it.

How do you deal with the pretty much players from 2005 (Verlander, Votto, Charlie Morton) and everyone their age and after 2023? For these players all you can do is also have the development engine on with recalc like the default is setup is set. There is a reason that recalc + development engine is the default for RD.

So first picture if of OOTP21 showing that RAH has always been in the game.

If you really want to solve your issues with post 2023 players, set your Max years for RD to like 2015. Then you know players coming in have at least 9 years of recalc, then after it runs out, allow the dev engine to take over and finish them off.

Set your game up like the second picture and you will probably get the results you want. And of course you will need to turn on RAH as it is not a default setting. But if you want your Max year to be 2023, then same setup, keep development engine on with recalc. There is a reason to the madness of the Dev Team that setup the historical wizards.

I have not been trolling you at all. I have been trying to help you in each of your posts and you have in turn decided to fight with me and spreading info that was not true about RAH. I was trying to correct you in how the RAH system worked and that something you were blaming on RAH was in fact part of recalc. Also, trying to inform you that RAH has been in the game for years and it is not new.

But I know you wont listen to my advice because you think I am a troll, but we did set these historical wizards, to work out of the box, correctly. Let the Development Engine take care of the players that run out of recalc. you can also play totally without recalc and just the dev engine. Either one of these options will work with the post 2023 players.

Not even sure how to respond to you. I've been playing random debut since Markus added it to the game. I'm actually the one that begged for the minimum and maximum years to be added to the game, as I don't like the way the pre-1900 hundred players perform in random debuts. They are way too dominant in my opinion.

Each new version of this game adds things and sometimes those things take some getting used to. This year more than any version in the past, I have had tons of hiccups along the way.

I've been using the combo or recalc and development so long I can't even remember not using it. I also use the combo for most to the non random debut historical leagues I run. Probably as far back as OOTP13 or 14. Started using it, because it was obvious the alternative was awful. Seeing Sandy Koufax pitch into his mid 40's or later, basically repeating the same season over and over again was not something I wanted to see more than once. Using recalc and development, I have seen Sandy's career play out several different ways. I've had him dominate, I've had him get hurt and regress and be out of baseball by age 34. I've had him dominate for a few more years and then just steady into his late 30's. Heck, Verlander and Kershaw are two guys that made me fall in love with the combo. Like Koufax, I've seen these guys thrive and I've seen them crumble.

Just yesterday, I started a thread in regards to fielding. In a random I was testing, I had Brooks Robinson finish several seasons with a negative zone rating. Had Omar Vizquel post a -16 zone rating. One of the thngs mentioned in the thread by Rain King had to do with the idea that aging could be playing a big part in what I was seeing. He also pointed out to me that I should probably never use base fielding on the current year. This is what got me thinking I might want to use RAH with development off.

I'm just trying to decide whether I want to do so with the current day players moving past their final year of real life play, or just have all of them retire once they reach the season in which corresponds with 2022. Not really a way too storyline so many great players retiring at such young ages, but when it comes to random debut the sky is the limit in terms of how many players are available. No way am I ever going to play the game long enough to run out of players.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Rain King

What are your Adjust/Weaken settings? Want to make sure I am doing a like-for-like test.

Will have to check when I get home from work.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by rain king

what are your adjust/weaken settings? Want to make sure i am doing a like-for-like test.

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[David Watts]

[David Watts]

[Rain King]

Yeah, looks like you need to turn development on...which IMO makes sense.

If you want it to have less of an effect on your non-2023 players mid-season you could up the target age and slow aging down a bit from the default settings.

It would likely need to be some kind of feature request to request settings that allow development to be turned off, but on for players who have aged past their last database season. Hard to say how feasible that is from a demand/development standpoint.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Yeah, looks like you need to turn development on...which IMO makes sense.

If you want it to have less of an effect on your non-2023 players mid-season you could up the target age and slow aging down a bit from the default settings.

It would likely need to be some kind of feature request to request settings that allow development to be turned off, but on for players who have aged past their last database season. Hard to say how feasible that is from a demand/development standpoint.

I worry that it's something that may not be doable. It's definitely a big ask. I will keep my fingers crossed.

[twins_34]

It might just have to be, go from your start target (1901?) to 2005 or maybe 2008 and just try and play without the current players. They gave issues in the past and seem to even be worse now in 25. I tried setting up RD and I didnt like the changes during the season. I had pitchers losing like 20 points of stuff for no reason. pitchers who were 70 stuff dropping to 50. Losing stamina... It's not right so I don't like how the development engine messes with the players and I had TRC at 1. Either TRC is not adjusting right or the dev engine really does not like working with recalc very much. I know Matt has said in the past that recalc and the dev engine didnt play well with each other and I am starting to understand what he meant.

So I would not even use current players, turn development off, use RAH so players retire at the age they should, and run recalc, and have the player range from 1876 (1901?) to 2005, 2008sih?

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Just go away. You don't even understand what we are talking about. You are so hell bent that you know everything, that you're almost a troll. My question has to do with how the game is handling current day players that SINCE THEY HAVEN'T RETIRED, WILL PLAY ON ONCE THEY REACH THEIR FINAL RECALC YEAR!!!!! When they added RAH, they clearly said players like this will age gradually and retire. If they are, that's great, but if they are simply replaying their final season of recalc over and over again until they retire, that's an issue. Trying to decide if I want to set my maximum to 2022 and force current day players to retire at the year corresponding to 2022 or let current day players play past their last recalc year.

I don't need you telling me about Ted Williams and Babe Ruth. I never even brought them up.

Well, you know, posting misinformation supporting the game is different than posting misinformation critical of the game. Just ask fredbeene who had obviously sarcastic misinformation critical of OOTP deleted.