Fielding

[David Watts]

Got a random debut that I started in 1946. Fast simmed up to 1960. Just wondering about some of the fielding stats I'm seeing. Brooks Robinson is in the league and won 4 Gold Glove Awards early on in his career. Since then he's strung together multiple seasons with a negative zone rating. No more Gold Gloves. Omar Vizquel won one Gold Glove, but he too has put together seasons with negative zone ratings. The one that stands out was -16. I may be looking at this from the wrong perspective. I'm not the biggest stat guy, but it sure seems like a -16 is pretty bad for a guy that's talked about as one off the best ever.

[Rain King]

Are you using Recalc?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Are you using Recalc?

Yes. The random league has both recalc and development on. TCR if I remember correctly is set to 10 or 20.

[Rain King]

So, if development is on then the players are potentially going to regress during the season...particularly if they are older.

The Recalc will reset their ratings each year, but we know that the game will regress older players defensively quite often (understandably).

A lower TCR won't curb aging effects (there is a setting for that also though).

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Rain King

So, if development is on then the players are potentially going to regress during the season...particularly if they are older.

The Recalc will reset their ratings each year, but we know that the game will regress older players defensively quite often (understandably).

A lower TCR won't curb aging effects (there is a setting for that also though).

I think Vizquel is around 28 or 29. At work, so I would have to check. Robinson may be in his 30's.

[Rain King]

Defensive players peak at an early age. To understand this better we would need to know what their ratings were at the time of recalc.

There are, of course, multiple other possible factors but aging is the most likely. I'm curious why you want that setting on if you'd prefer not to have regression results?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Defensive players peak at an early age. To understand this better we would need to know what their ratings were at the time of recalc.

There are, of course, multiple other possible factors but aging is the most likely. I'm curious why you want that setting on if you'd prefer not to have regression results?

Random debut requires regression. Otherwise, modern players will simply repeat the same season over and over till the game decides to retire them. I want a guy like Koufax to play longer than his real life final season, but again, I don't want the game to simply repeat his last season over and over till he's 45. The development engine prevents this. This may have been happening all along over the years of my playing this way and I just didn't pay enough attention.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Random debut requires regression. Otherwise, modern players will simply repeat the same season over and over till the game decides to retire them. I want a guy like Koufax to play longer than his real life final season, but again, I don't want the game to simply repeat his last season over and over till he's 45. The development engine prevents this. This may have been happening all along over the years of my playing this way and I just didn't pay enough attention.

I assume you are not using Retire players according to history then? I thought that option still worked in Random Debut, but I'll admit I've rarely played RD.

I would recommend lowering the Aging modifiers and/or increasing the Aging Target Age option if you are playing with development on and want to decrease players aging in their recalc seasons.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Rain King

I assume you are not using Retire players according to history then? I thought that option still worked in Random Debut, but I'll admit I've rarely played RD.

I would recommend lowering the Aging modifiers and/or increasing the Aging Target Age option if you are playing with development on and want to decrease players aging in their recalc seasons.

Retire according to history was added to the game this version for random debut. It's a new feature for random debut. Modern players haven't retired, so it doesn't work for them. The game is supposed to age modern players, but I've heard this only results in the players repeating their final year over and over till it' time to retire. Not a big fan of Kris Davis ball.

Thinking about going back to check some of my OOTP24 leagues to see if this was always happening and I just didn't pay attention.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by Rain King

I assume you are not using Retire players according to history then? I thought that option still worked in Random Debut, but I'll admit I've rarely played RD.

I would recommend lowering the Aging modifiers and/or increasing the Aging Target Age option if you are playing with development on and want to decrease players aging in their recalc seasons.

Hate to jump in but I think when David says “modern players” he is referring to players that played in 2023 (assuming 2023 is the final year set for your random debut). Even with RAH on, players that actually played in 2023 will continue playing and age accordingly (if development is on). And retire at age 36-39.
If development is off, then players that played in 2023 will continue playing until about age 37-42 but their ratings will basically just repeat the rating they had irl in 2023.

If instead of using 2023 you use an earlier year like 2022 for you maximum debut year, then OOTP looks at 2022 as the retirement year for players that played irl that year. Players like Aaron Judge will retire at whatever age he was in 2022. Assuming RAH is on.

At least that was my experience when I was fooling around a few months ago.

[Rain King]

Got it, but if development is on those players will age?

I think adjusting the aging modifiers should probably help this work better overall, but I guess ultimately the best feature would be for Random Debut to somehow handle "active" players differently than retired players.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Reed

Hate to jump in but I think when David says “modern players” he is referring to players that played in 2023 (assuming 2023 is the final year set for your random debut). Even with RAH on, players that actually played in 2023 will continue playing and age accordingly (if development is on). And retire at age 36-39.
If development is off, then players that played in 2023 will continue playing until about age 37-42 but their ratings will basically just repeat the rating they had irl in 2023.

If instead of using 2023 you use an earlier year like 2022 for you maximum debut year, then OOTP looks at 2022 as the retirement year for players that played irl that year. Players like Aaron Judge will retire at whatever age he was in 2022. Assuming RAH is on.

At least that was my experience when I was fooling around a few months ago.

Oh wow. How sure are you about the 2022 deal? So, if I set my maximum, the game will retire guys like Judge, Betts etc. once they reach the age that corresponds to 2022? I could live with this

[Reed]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Oh wow. How sure are you about the 2022 deal? So, if I set my maximum, the game will retire guys like Judge, Betts etc. once they reach the age that corresponds to 2022? I could live with this

Pretty darn sure. My current Random is set for 1901-2022. RAH on and Matt Olson just retired at age 28 (in OOTP Random his age is 1 year different than what his real stats shows). In my test league Ronald Acuna retired at age 24.

When I tested last May, same results with Aaron Judge using 1901-2022.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Reed

Pretty darn sure. My current Random is set for 1901-2022. RAH on and Matt Olson just retired at age 28 (in OOTP Random his age is 1 year different than what his real stats shows). In my test league Ronald Acuna retired at age 24.

When I tested last May, same results with Aaron Judge using 1901-2022.

Thanks. I might just turn development off altogether, turn on RAH and just use recalc. May even be able to use 1 year recalc if I play this way.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Thanks. I might just turn development off altogether, turn on RAH and just use recalc. May even be able to use 1 year recalc if I play this way.

Just don’t be surprised that depending on your other settings you may have more players with outlier type seasons.
Using 3 year recalc, you will have fewer players with outlier type seasons but players like Cobb and Ted Williams may have a very dominating season or 2 since IRL they don’t have an average type season to pull their ratings down like most players.

[David Watts]

This league started in 1962. Straight historical. 1 year recalc, development disabled.

[Rain King]

Do you have any information on his fielding ratings over that period?

I'm not clear on what "straight historical" means either.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Do you have any information on his fielding ratings over that period?

I'm not clear on what "straight historical" means either.

Not random debut. Historical league started in 1962. No development. 1 year recalc. He is rated a 80 as of right now. I just don't pay attention to ratings. I just expect the game to provide good results.

Okay going into 1969 he is now a 80 overall Infield range 70, Infield error 75, Infield arm 75 DP 55

Recreated league in 1962, same settings. Going into 62 season he is a 65 overall infield range 55, Infield error 80, Infield arm 65 and DP 50

[LansdowneSt]

Were '62, 'and '68 in-game gold gloves and 2 inherited from before the sim? It's one-year recalc but the fielding is different, was that on same year or three-year?

His TZ was down in '65, and especially '66 per FanGraphs (Rtot in BBR).

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Were '62, 'and '68 in-game gold gloves and 2 inherited from before the sim? It's one-year recalc but the fielding is different, was that on same year or three-year?

His TZ was down in '65, and especially '66 per FanGraphs (Rtot in BBR).

Yes, he won the 62 and 68 GG's in game. 60 and 61 were from prior to my start. Yes it's all one year recalc. I had to recreate 1962 again to see what his ratings were when league began.