Historical database issues go here.

[BaseballMan]

Rudy Kemmler's 1884 stats are missing.
May be because he played for Columbus and the the teams ootp uses for
1884 does not include Columbus for 1884.
He played 61 games.
If a player had played 100 games or won 20 games then a missing year could affect his ratings.

Tom Sullivan's 1884 real stats are also missing. Shows real stats for 1885 but he didn't play a game in 1885.

Ed Morris's real stats for 1884 are not even close to being correct.
His stats for 1885 -1890 don't even show up.
His 1884 stats show him playing for ALDu and NeDo. Have no idea who those teams are.

[Reed]

Bill Gogolewski DOB should be Oct 26, 1947. Not 1878.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Reed

Bill Gogolewski DOB should be Oct 26, 1947. Not 1878.

Never too late to make it to the Majors even at 92 yrs old.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Rudy Kemmler's 1884 stats are missing.
May be because he played for Columbus and the the teams ootp uses for
1884 does not include Columbus for 1884.
He played 61 games.
If a player had played 100 games or won 20 games then a missing year could affect his ratings.

Tom Sullivan's 1884 real stats are also missing. Shows real stats for 1885 but he didn't play a game in 1885.

Ed Morris's real stats for 1884 are not even close to being correct.
His stats for 1885 -1890 don't even show up.
His 1884 stats show him playing for ALDu and NeDo. Have no idea who those teams are.

A bunch of the 19th c stats were updated mid-cycle in OOTP 25. I fixed Rudy's 1884 and Tom's 1884. Tom's 1885 is accurate in the db and shows no MLB stat line. Importing him shows no 1885 line either.

Ed Morris's stats are accurate except I just saw that the batting line for his Columbus year was missing GS and PA, so I filled in those blanks.

If you are using a db before the 19th c. fixes I did this year were loaded, that would explain why the current db and current game has the corrected info, but you may not in that particular save.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Reed

Bill Gogolewski DOB should be Oct 26, 1947. Not 1878.

Just imported him and checked the db. Looked good. Per the db, it has always been 1947 in there.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

A bunch of the 19th c stats were updated mid-cycle in OOTP 25. I fixed Rudy's 1884 and Tom's 1884. Tom's 1885 is accurate in the db and shows no MLB stat line. Importing him shows no 1885 line either.

Ed Morris's stats are accurate except I just saw that the batting line for his Columbus year was missing GS and PA, so I filled in those blanks.

If you are using a db before the 19th c. fixes I did this year were loaded, that would explain why the current db and current game has the corrected info, but you may not in that particular save.

Tom Mansell's stats look correct.
I may have been looking at Mike Mansell.
Ed Morris's stats look correct now too.
I was looking at Edward Morris and assumed it was Ed Morris.
I only saw Edward Morris under the free agents and thought it was Ed Morris.
I'm guessing Edward Morris was a player in in AA.

For players that played only in the Union Association for 1884 why not have their real stats use their Union Association team.
I mean its in the historical transactions so why not the real stats.
Just have players that started in the uA come in as Free Agent rookies.
Jim Brown's stats are correct but it shows he played for Pittsburgh in 1884.
He never played for Pittsburgh. Just Altoona (UA) and New York (NL)

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Tom Mansell's stats look correct.
I may have been looking at Mike Mansell.
Ed Morris's stats look correct now too.
I was looking at Edward Morris and assumed it was Ed Morris.
I only saw Edward Morris under the free agents and thought it was Ed Morris.
I'm guessing Edward Morris was a player in in AA.

For players that played only in the Union Association for 1884 why not have their real stats use their Union Association team.
I mean its in the historical transactions so why not the real stats.
Just have players that started in the uA come in as Free Agent rookies.
Jim Brown's stats are correct but it shows he played for Pittsburgh in 1884.
He never played for Pittsburgh. Just Altoona (UA) and New York (NL)

When the database merge occurred, you may recall that from OOTP23 to OOTP24 all these UA and other select 19th c team players had their real stats disappear. One of the changes made from 23 to 24 was on the Teams.csv file. It can be found in the /stats folder. Note columns AW and AX. Those are the codes I need to type into the player's stat line to assign it to an MLB team b/c only the teams on the Teams.csv file are MLB and in the actual OOTP game.

So, the old codes for the various teams that existed and are NA or NL or AA or UA that are not in OOTP in that given year, like Altoona don't have codes. This went all of OOTP24 and into OOTP25 without being addressed. Through trial and error, I found that as long as the codes came from the same row, any set of numbers could be used to make the stat line show up in real stats. Some align fine because I can grab some other Indy Hoosier team's code and still get it to look like the missing Hoosier team's code. But there is no Altoona everywhere, so they all got tagged with a Pittsburgh code.

From a game standpoint, it doesn't matter because all these players are 19th c. players, and they don't get assigned to any team. There is an inaugural draft, and everyone thereafter comes in as a FA or Draftee.
Additionally, it took me months of my free time every night as a volunteer to get those real stats back. If I hadn't and instead waited until someone came along and redid the code to get an Altoona team a line on that csv, those players would never have gotten their Real Stats back. The stats being read by the game were far more important than the optics of seeing PIT instead of a non-existent, may-never-come ALT on the stat line. Hey, maybe they'll get it so Altoona can appear there and all of those hundreds of players can be reedited, but I'm tapping out on that project. They can fix the optics going-forward. I was concerned with restoring material game play issues.

As any incompatibility with a transaction file, OOTP officially doesn't support real transactions prior to 1901. You are likely using the dated work of a modder/beta contributor long gone. It's great if it helps your efforts, but that's likely what it is. An unsupported idea that buried in the game, can be found (and used up to a point)... but not supported.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

When the database merge occurred, you may recall that from OOTP23 to OOTP24 all these UA and other select 19th c team players had their real stats disappear. One of the changes made from 23 to 24 was on the Teams.csv file. It can be found in the /stats folder. Note columns AW and AX. Those are the codes I need to type into the player's stat line to assign it to an MLB team b/c only the teams on the Teams.csv file are MLB and in the actual OOTP game.

So, the old codes for the various teams that existed and are NA or NL or AA or UA that are not in OOTP in that given year, like Altoona don't have codes. This went all of OOTP24 and into OOTP25 without being addressed. Through trial and error, I found that as long as the codes came from the same row, any set of numbers could be used to make the stat line show up in real stats. Some align fine because I can grab some other Indy Hoosier team's code and still get it to look like the missing Hoosier team's code. But there is no Altoona everywhere, so they all got tagged with a Pittsburgh code.

From a game standpoint, it doesn't matter because all these players are 19th c. players, and they don't get assigned to any team. There is an inaugural draft, and everyone thereafter comes in as a FA or Draftee.
Additionally, it took me months of my free time every night as a volunteer to get those real stats back. If I hadn't and instead waited until someone came along and redid the code to get an Altoona team a line on that csv, those players would never have gotten their Real Stats back. The stats being read by the game were far more important than the optics of seeing PIT instead of a non-existent, may-never-come ALT on the stat line. Hey, maybe they'll get it so Altoona can appear there and all of those hundreds of players can be reedited, but I'm tapping out on that project. They can fix the optics going-forward. I was concerned with restoring material game play issues.

As any incompatibility with a transaction file, OOTP officially doesn't support real transactions prior to 1901. You are likely using the dated work of a modder/beta contributor long gone. It's great if it helps your efforts, but that's likely what it is. An unsupported idea that buried in the game, can be found (and used up to a point)... but not supported.

I agree and appreciate the effort made to get stats back in the game as the stats could affect a player's ratings.
However a player going to the wrong team can alter that historical team's lineup.
I am using the latest patch though i did edit the teams csv to get the actual teams.

The ability to have the game make trades and pick starting pitchers make it easier for historical players but going to wrong teams makes it harder.
Like Jim Brown playing for Pittsburgh in 1884.

I know it may not be fully supported but why not just use the actual teams and follow the MLB's expansion and rules?
Now that historical transactions do work for the 19th century I'm not sure the fictional setup is needed as it may have once been needed.
For years there was only one league the game could offer an option to have no playoffs or to use an even number of teams for the playoffs?

The historical play for 19th century has come a long long way.
With the game able to select starting pitchers for the NL and the ability to use historical transactions it does make it a lot easier.
I was able to sim 1876-1881 pretty fast. Most of the stoppage was more cosmetic in that i was using historical managers and owners.
Though the computer made all trades and lineups.
The American Association years are a bit slower as io have to select the starting pitchers.
If it works for the NL it should work for the AA.
Its just making the roster corrections in the offseason that slow things down a bit.
For the AA i just follow a spreadsheet since the game can select the NL starters.

It may sound like I'm not happy with the 19th century historical play but its actually the opposite.
I think its the closest its been to duplicating the real thing.
The historical transactions and use of starters make it a lot easier.
Its just the fictional setup that makes it difficult at times for historical players.

[AESP_pres]

Tom Colcolough have a missing starting game in 1895, 5 in his real pitching in place of the 6 he had in real life. His real fielding is correct and the real batting isn't (only 4 GS).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...olcoto01.shtml

[Reed]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Just imported him and checked the db. Looked good. Per the db, it has always been 1947 in there.

Sorry. My error. Forgot that I was playing Random so his DOB would be different than actual.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by Reed

Sorry. My error. Forgot that I was playing Random so his DOB would be different than actual.

As an RD player myself, I love this error.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Tom Colcolough have a missing starting game in 1895, 5 in his real pitching in place of the 6 he had in real life. His real fielding is correct and the real batting isn't (only 4 GS).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...olcoto01.shtml

fixed

[niu354]

Not sure if this is a "bug" but it seems like there is way too much money available to every single team in 1920. A superstar player goes for about $11,000 and even the poorest teams could afford more 15-20 superstars on top of their existing expenses.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by niu354

Not sure if this is a "bug" but it seems like there is way too much money available to every single team in 1920. A superstar player goes for about $11,000 and even the poorest teams could afford more 15-20 superstars on top of their existing expenses.

Not a database issue but try adjusting the "Team owner controls budget?" option. You have it set to use max revenue so the cash max line may be being overridden.

[niu354]

It was actually worse with "owner controlled". Default setting is "entire revenue stream" though.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by niu354

It was actually worse with "owner controlled". Default setting is "entire revenue stream" though.

But you have the Cash max set for $6,300. Are you sure the screen you are looking at isn't showing the projected profit BEFORE the owner takes a share for himself thus leaving the GMs with just the cash max? That's the point of the cash max field as I understood it.

[niu354]

Yes, the owner takes most of the profit out at the conclusion of the World Series. My point is every team effectively has a blank check to spend before and during the season. One might think "at least it's an even playing field" but it isn't because the AI general managers don't realize it can go over market value for players because they are swimming in cash. The impact is I get to sign any rookies I want by continuing the bid and waiting for the AI to give up (there wasn't a first year player draft until 1965).

[AESP_pres]

Not sure if it's an error or not, but FWIW I would say yes... Phil Wisner played one game for Washington in 1895 and only played on the field (TBH it is highly doubtful since he was in the game for four innings... but it's another story). His real fielding stat line is correct but, it's the error IMO, shouldn't his real batting list 1G and not a blank line as it's the case currently?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...isneph01.shtml

[AESP_pres]

Jake Boyd have a missing game started in his real pitching stat in 1895, it should be 13 not 12. Also he have a missing game in his batting stat (game says 51 but BBref says 52).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...boydja01.shtml

[AESP_pres]

Zeke Wilson have a missing game started in his real pitching in 1895 (13 but should be 14)... the missing one is a game with Cleveland. The real fielding is fine, but the batting isn't (check the line since more than one fields are incorrect).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ilsoze01.shtml