How to fix trading?

[CanadaCajanek21]

I want to trade for a 4 star potential prospect.

I offered (but would never do):

Shame McLanahan (4 star ace)
Shane Baz (4 star ace)
Junior Caminiero (4 star top 10 prospect)
My 4.5 star international signing


And rejected. ('Fuggaboudit" as their GM said)

If this happened and the public found out, that GM would be under so much heat by the fans.

How do I fix the trading to make it so they actually understand what a trade is and when you're given 3 franchise players, it's worth trading one guy?

[mytreds]

Originally Posted by CanadaCajanek21

I want to trade for a 4 star potential prospect.

I offered (but would never do):

Shame McLanahan (4 star ace)
Shane Baz (4 star ace)
Junior Caminiero (4 star top 10 prospect)
My 4.5 star international signing


And rejected. ('Fuggaboudit" as their GM said)

If this happened and the public found out, that GM would be under so much heat by the fans.

How do I fix the trading to make it so they actually understand what a trade is and when you're given 3 franchise players, it's worth trading one guy?

One detail you’re not providing is their contract amount and lengths. Many AI GMs will not take on contracts of certain length and amount.

[CanadaCajanek21]

Originally Posted by mytreds

One detail you’re not providing is their contract amount and lengths. Many AI GMs will not take on contracts of certain length and amount.

Well, Caminiero was just promoted to the MLB, so he has like 30 days MLB service.

Baz is pre-arb..

McLanahan is arb 1.

The prospect is currently in Dominican Rookie League.

So no long term contracts, all cost controlled.

[jets12]

The biggest problem is that the AI in this game is weak in many areas and the trade AI is one of those areas. You can't expect the game AI to "act" like real life, because if you do you will be disappointed. After all it is just a game.

I would hope that in the future the AI will be upgraded, but I wouldn't hold my breath. My opinion of the 25 edition of the game is not good. So many issues that take away from the overall experience. I play this version the least of any version I have bought in the past.

[mytreds]

Originally Posted by CanadaCajanek21

Well, Caminiero was just promoted to the MLB, so he has like 30 days MLB service.

Baz is pre-arb..

McLanahan is arb 1.

The prospect is currently in Dominican Rookie League.

So no long term contracts, all cost controlled.

Great, thanks for the info Next I have to ask what your trade difficulty settings are.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by mytreds

Great, thanks for the info Next I have to ask what your trade difficulty settings are.

Why? Unless he / she found and selected “Completely Illogical—No Baseball Knowledge Required” for a trade setting, how are you going to prove the validity of the computer GM’s reasoning that:

[(4X)+(4X)+(4X)+(4.5X)] < [(4X)]?

Going down that path is an errand worthy of its goal…

[mytreds]

Originally Posted by jcard

Why? Unless he / she found and selected “Completely Illogical—No Baseball Knowledge Required” for a trade setting, how are you going to prove the validity of the computer GM’s reasoning that:

[(4X)+(4X)+(4X)+(4.5X)] < [(4X)]?

Going down that path is an errand worthy of its goal…

Trying to help people is also a worthy goal

If the user changes the trade difficulty, we can better assess what is happening.

[Matt Arnold]

Sometimes cases like this can be where the other side views things very different. If they see that prospect as the next Mike Trout, for example.

The past few years we've tightened things up, so that if the AI sees a top prospect they more or less will refuse to give them up. It could be even more-so if you have the trading difficulty set to the max, or if you are playing with the trading reputation system and yours is terrible. In those cases, then it can be really hard to complete deals.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Sometimes cases like this can be where the other side views things very different. If they see that prospect as the next Mike Trout, for example.

The past few years we've tightened things up, so that if the AI sees a top prospect they more or less will refuse to give them up. It could be even more-so if you have the trading difficulty set to the max, or if you are playing with the trading reputation system and yours is terrible. In those cases, then it can be really hard to complete deals.

Yes, I was just going to amplify my thoughts by adding that the one question that I would have is the other team’s scouting (or the OSA’s, at least). The other potential factors cited, however, are more dubious. If they are the reason that a team chooses to not avail itself of an opportunity to improve.

[MikeS21]

I really don’t have a clue about the trading AI, as I feel that it has gotten too difficult to make trades that make sense.

I wonder just how many variables go into trades. Obviously money and contract issues, but it could also be variables like team philosophy ( Win Now or Rebuilding, etc.), owner patience, team chemistry, or even fan loyalty. I don’t know. I might just be overthinking what is really a simple formula.

I am disappointed with the information Matt gave about the AI rejecting most trades for highly valued prospects. As I play OOTP, acquiring prospects and building from my farm system has been my favorite way to play. Honestly, unless there is a workaround, that greatly diminishes my interest in the game. I need to be able to occasionally trade a perennial All-Star veteran for a Top-10 prospect without constantly getting rejected.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by MikeS21

I really don’t have a clue about the trading AI, as I feel that it has gotten too difficult to make trades that make sense.

I wonder just how many variables go into trades. Obviously money and contract issues, but it could also be variables like team philosophy ( Win Now or Rebuilding, etc.), owner patience, team chemistry, or even fan loyalty. I don’t know. I might just be overthinking what is really a simple formula.

I am disappointed with the information Matt gave about the AI rejecting most trades for highly valued prospects. As I play OOTP, acquiring prospects and building from my farm system has been my favorite way to play. Honestly, unless there is a workaround, that greatly diminishes my interest in the game. I need to be able to occasionally trade a perennial All-Star veteran for a Top-10 prospect without constantly getting rejected.

I'm happy to hear Matt's answer. AI teams should value some prospects to the point they simply will not trade them, this is reality. Nothing they do is ever going to be perfect or make everyone happy, but IMHO, what they have done with the trading module has greatly improved the game. We used to have endless threads every year about "OOTP trading sucks. How come I can trade a bucket of balls for a superstar?". Don't see many of those threads now and that is a good thing.

[omg_pwnasaurus]

Originally Posted by Sweed

I'm happy to hear Matt's answer. AI teams should value some prospects to the point they simply will not trade them, this is reality. Nothing they do is ever going to be perfect or make everyone happy, but IMHO, what they have done with the trading module has greatly improved the game. We used to have endless threads every year about "OOTP trading sucks. How come I can trade a bucket of balls for a superstar?". Don't see many of those threads now and that is a good thing.

Agree with this. IRL teams are going to heavily value their own developed or in process prospects more than others as well.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by omg_pwnasaurus

Agree with this. IRL teams are going to heavily value their own developed or in process prospects more than others as well.

As is often the case here, however, the issue at hand is operational rather than ideational. In this case, for example, the divergence between the human and computer scouts about the principles would have to be quite large to be a fit justification for the rejection.

[MikeS21]

The real issue to me is that the trade AI has made it virtually impossible to make mid-season trades where a top veteran can be traded at the deadline for a package of prospects where at least one prospect is decent. Those kinds of trades happen in real life all the time.

There is no way that the AI would give up Noelvi Marte and Edwin Arroyo in return for Luis Castillo, or give up James Wood and Robert Hassell III for Juan Soto.

All I am saying is that if you offer a 30-year-old 5-Star superstar veteran, you ought to be able to trade him for a 4-Star potential prospect from some team, even if you have to add a money to the deal.

[Ratbelly]

I think the problem I have with the trading is that I get garbage trade after garbage trade offered to me by the AI. The trading deadline largely sucks because the trades proposed by the AI are laughably bad.

[mytreds]

Originally Posted by MikeS21

The real issue to me is that the trade AI has made it virtually impossible to make mid-season trades where a top veteran can be traded at the deadline for a package of prospects where at least one prospect is decent. Those kinds of trades happen in real life all the time.

There is no way that the AI would give up Noelvi Marte and Edwin Arroyo in return for Luis Castillo, or give up James Wood and Robert Hassell III for Juan Soto.

All I am saying is that if you offer a 30-year-old 5-Star superstar veteran, you ought to be able to trade him for a 4-Star potential prospect from some team, even if you have to add a money to the deal.

I understand this sentiment, but users have to understand that AI is not (and never will be) a human mind that makes human decisions. That this game is a reflection of the real MLB world, but not a copy. So making IRL comparisons are never going to be exact and replicable. It’s easier to make an AI computer GM based on hard rules in code than making AI function with occasionally faulty human emotions and reasoning when it comes to trades.

[MikeS21]

Originally Posted by mytreds

I understand this sentiment, but users have to understand that AI is not (and never will be) a human mind that makes human decisions. That this game is a reflection of the real MLB world, but not a copy. So making IRL comparisons are never going to be exact and replicable. It’s easier to make an AI computer GM based on hard rules in code than making AI function with occasionally faulty human emotions and reasoning when it comes to trades.

I agree 100%. Most of the tweaks to the game’s AI over many versions have come from users wanting the AI to be more “human.”

Also, complicating the matter is the myriad of different ways that individuals use the game. Where I tend to be more active in using my farm system, I have read about other users who contract their minor leagues down to one or two levels. Every user is different and wants different options in their game play.

Honestly, I think the developers have done a magnificent job trying to placate so many users.

[HerbD]

Maybe the AI is asking its AI friends why you are offering such a non-human trade and what is wrong with you!

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by MikeS21

I agree 100%. Most of the tweaks to the game’s AI over many versions have come from users wanting the AI to be more “human.”

Also, complicating the matter is the myriad of different ways that individuals use the game. Where I tend to be more active in using my farm system, I have read about other users who contract their minor leagues down to one or two levels. Every user is different and wants different options in their game play.

Honestly, I think the developers have done a magnificent job trying to placate so many users.

Are you playing in challenge mode?

If not and you think the trade is fair and would have gone through in previous versions why not go into commish mode and "make the trade"?
It's a solo game so you're not hurting anyone and, if in your opinion it is fair, you aren't cheating either.

I understand that may not be what you want to here but it would fix(?) the situation in your game. Again unless you are in challenge mode.

[omg_pwnasaurus]

Originally Posted by MikeS21

There is no way that the AI would give up Noelvi Marte and Edwin Arroyo in return for Luis Castillo, or give up James Wood and Robert Hassell III for Juan Soto.

I've seen the CPU makes those kinds of deals with itself but never when a human proposes it (or offering it to a human on its own)