Historical Owners/Managers

[choward2984]

Is this possible? Obviously owners like Steinbrenner or Finley or managers like Weaver, Martin, or Pinella. Just curious if this is a mechanic that is possible in some eras to add owner tendencies or those managers strategies.

[uruguru]

Originally Posted by choward2984

Is this possible? Obviously owners like Steinbrenner or Finley or managers like Weaver, Martin, or Pinella. Just curious if this is a mechanic that is possible in some eras to add owner tendencies or those managers strategies.

There are no historical owners in the game. But historical managers should be in the game at the season you start. I haven't checked but I would be very surprised if the OOTP managers had tendencies aligned with the real-world manager.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by uruguru

There are no historical owners in the game. But historical managers should be in the game at the season you start. I haven't checked but I would be very surprised if the OOTP managers had tendencies aligned with the real-world manager.

I agree. If the tendencies have any effect they need to have individual managers grouped tightly around the average. If they don't then the game won't produce historical outputs when, via trades etc, a manager has different than historical talent on his team.

[Baby Ruth]

Originally Posted by uruguru

There are no historical owners in the game. But historical managers should be in the game at the season you start. I haven't checked but I would be very surprised if the OOTP managers had tendencies aligned with the real-world manager.

Of course, there aren't any reality checks on this. You can have someone managing a team in Boston while playing on a team in St. Louis.

[uruguru]

Originally Posted by Baby Ruth

Of course, there aren't any reality checks on this. You can have someone managing a team in Boston while playing on a team in St. Louis.

huh. I always assumed a player had to be retired before he could become a coach.

[Baby Ruth]

Originally Posted by uruguru

huh. I always assumed a player had to be retired before he could become a coach.

No, there used to be player-managers. The manager would actually be part of the daily lineup. John McGraw, Nap Lajoie, Ty Cobb, et al. Pete Rose was the most recent, I believe when he was player-manager for the Phillies.

[BaseballMan]

In the early days of baseball some owners actually owned 2 teams.
One case resulted in the 1899 Cleveland Spiders
20-134 record.

[jeffw3000]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

In the early days of baseball some owners actually owned 2 teams.
One case resulted in the 1899 Cleveland Spiders
20-134 record.

This also led to one of the most famous trades of all-time. Barney Dreyfuss owned the Louisville Colonels. He also was half owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates. Louisville was on the brink of collapse. On December 8, 1899, prior to folding the team, Dreyfuss traded Honus Wagner, Fred Clarke, Deacon Phillippe, Rube Waddell, Tommy Leach, Claude Ritchey, Chief Zimmer, Bert Cunningham, Tom Messitt, Mike Kelley, Tacks Latimer, and Jack Wadsworth to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Jack Chesbro, George Fox, Art Madison, Jack O'Brien and $25,000 cash.

[Baby Ruth]

Originally Posted by jeffw3000

This also led to one of the most famous trades of all-time. Barney Dreyfuss owned the Louisville Colonels. He also was half owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates. Louisville was on the brink of collapse. On December 8, 1899, prior to folding the team, Dreyfuss traded Honus Wagner, Fred Clarke, Deacon Phillippe, Rube Waddell, Tommy Leach, Claude Ritchey, Chief Zimmer, Bert Cunningham, Tom Messitt, Mike Kelley, Tacks Latimer, and Jack Wadsworth to the Pittsburgh Pirates for Jack Chesbro, George Fox, Art Madison, Jack O'Brien and $25,000 cash.

Good times.

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by Baby Ruth

Good times.

It is not clear why you can't import at least the names of historical managers and owners

i guess there are quick starts out there that have it. i haven't found any though

there is also no option to randomize manager tendencies for whatever purposes you may have for your sim.

[Baby Ruth]

Originally Posted by fredbeene

It is not clear why you can't import at least the names of historical managers and owners

i guess there are quick starts out there that have it. i haven't found any though

there is also no option to randomize manager tendencies for whatever purposes you may have for your sim.

I just tend to ignore the names of owners and managers since too often in the era I play in they just don't make sense.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by fredbeene

It is not clear why you can't import at least the names of historical managers and owners

i guess there are quick starts out there that have it. i haven't found any though

there is also no option to randomize manager tendencies for whatever purposes you may have for your sim.

That would be nice to do.
I tried creating all my historical managers but the game has a limit on the birth year.
I believe it depends on the current year of your league.

[textilemonster]

Originally Posted by Baby Ruth

I just tend to ignore the names of owners and managers since too often in the era I play in they just don't make sense.

I'll say it was fun seeing a Congolese billionaire owning the Troy Haymakers.

[Baby Ruth]

An example of the data integrity checks that do not happen: in my 1901 season John McGraw is managing the Baltimore Orioles while playing for the Pittsburgh Pirates, sometimes on the same day at the same time! And they also play each other. If this isn't a conflict of interest then I don't know what is. The game should make sure that the historical person is not assigned as a manager to a team he isn't playing for.