More info on Chemistry from devs

PunishedF2P · 06-09-2024, 08:04 PM

Would it be possible to get more information on how chemistry works from the devs? In an analytical simulation game, I don't see the advantage in the player not understanding how it works.

It would be like if combinators upgraded the players and they got a star, but the stats stayed the same, and you just said, "trust us, he's better." That's literally "chemistry" right now.

For every 10% of chemistry all players get a 1-point boost across their stats - is something like that happening? How exactly are the players ratings and performance impacted?

Why not just tell us what it is, so we can strategize how to put the best team on the field via ratings and chemistry?

At the least, I'd be curious to hear what the reasoning is behind the lack of specificity.

Thanks.

LeeD · 06-10-2024, 11:13 AM

Secret sauce is secret. For what it's worth, I've noticed that hitting the blue (75%) seems to have a positive impact on team record if not on individual stats. Problem is: that's a team full of Mission Editions, which was good in Diamond four weeks ago but won't do much right now even with a boost. The old Junior-Edgar-A-Rod-Sierra teammate-fest is still workable, but most of the top-notch pitchers are low chemistry...except for Randy Johnson (a bit too homer-prone) and Mike Mussina (insane but probably worth it if you can afford him).

My take is that they set this for theme teams that can easily crank out 85-99% team chemistry due to same team and/or long-term teammates. It's beneficial if you want to run all Yankees or Giants or Cubs or Phillies in a mid-level league, but it won't make enough difference to matter in Gold-Diamond-Perfect now that the Mission Editions are wearing out their welcomes.

webrian · 06-10-2024, 02:37 PM

I suspect that *team chemistry* was idealized as a way to encourage PT'ers to develop more diverse teams.

It has had the exact opposite effect.

Every season, every league I'm put in is filled up with "Mission Card" teams. Everybody Â— and I mean **everybody** Â— has Chase Utley, King Kelly, Al Kaline, Ben Sheets, Corey Kluber, etc. on their active rosters.

Every team I play against is the same team. Some do better than others, but they all have 70 to 80 percent of the same roster. God, I'm sick of seeing Chase Utley everywhere.

It is difficult, and quite expensive, to try developing any other kind of theme team. The criteria makes sense, but I wish there were even more options. Unless you go with the popular "Mission Card" theme, it's difficult to build a competitive theme team. You run out of quality cards pretty fast.

I did think that, perhaps, a team using primarily "Hardware Heroes" and/or "All-Time Legends" or even "Future Legends" might work well. But these concepts do not help team chemistry. You either have to have a bunch of players from the same organization (especially former teammates) or go with the "Mission Cards" like everybody else.

I'm not doing this to see how my Al Kalines and Chase Utleys fare against somebody else's Al Kalines and Chase Utleys.

Is anyone on the OOTP25 development team looking into this?

06-09-2024, 08:04 PM	#1
PunishedF2P Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2022 Posts: 323	More info on Chemistry from devs Would it be possible to get more information on how chemistry works from the devs? In an analytical simulation game, I don't see the advantage in the player not understanding how it works. It would be like if combinators upgraded the players and they got a star, but the stats stayed the same, and you just said, "trust us, he's better." That's literally "chemistry" right now. For every 10% of chemistry all players get a 1-point boost across their stats - is something like that happening? How exactly are the players ratings and performance impacted? Why not just tell us what it is, so we can strategize how to put the best team on the field via ratings and chemistry? At the least, I'd be curious to hear what the reasoning is behind the lack of specificity. Thanks.

06-10-2024, 02:37 PM	#3
webrian Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 268	The Team Chemistry Experiment is Not Working I suspect that team chemistry was idealized as a way to encourage PT'ers to develop more diverse teams. It has had the exact opposite effect. Every season, every league I'm put in is filled up with "Mission Card" teams. Everybody Â— and I mean everybody Â— has Chase Utley, King Kelly, Al Kaline, Ben Sheets, Corey Kluber, etc. on their active rosters. Every team I play against is the same team. Some do better than others, but they all have 70 to 80 percent of the same roster. God, I'm sick of seeing Chase Utley everywhere. It is difficult, and quite expensive, to try developing any other kind of theme team. The criteria makes sense, but I wish there were even more options. Unless you go with the popular "Mission Card" theme, it's difficult to build a competitive theme team. You run out of quality cards pretty fast. I did think that, perhaps, a team using primarily "Hardware Heroes" and/or "All-Time Legends" or even "Future Legends" might work well. But these concepts do not help team chemistry. You either have to have a bunch of players from the same organization (especially former teammates) or go with the "Mission Cards" like everybody else. I'm not doing this to see how my Al Kalines and Chase Utleys fare against somebody else's Al Kalines and Chase Utleys. Is anyone on the OOTP25 development team looking into this?

06-10-2024, 11:13 AM	#2
LeeD All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 821	Secret sauce is secret. For what it's worth, I've noticed that hitting the blue (75%) seems to have a positive impact on team record if not on individual stats. Problem is: that's a team full of Mission Editions, which was good in Diamond four weeks ago but won't do much right now even with a boost. The old Junior-Edgar-A-Rod-Sierra teammate-fest is still workable, but most of the top-notch pitchers are low chemistry...except for Randy Johnson (a bit too homer-prone) and Mike Mussina (insane but probably worth it if you can afford him). My take is that they set this for theme teams that can easily crank out 85-99% team chemistry due to same team and/or long-term teammates. It's beneficial if you want to run all Yankees or Giants or Cubs or Phillies in a mid-level league, but it won't make enough difference to matter in Gold-Diamond-Perfect now that the Mission Editions are wearing out their welcomes.