Playing with older players and newer players

Randystu · 05-08-2024, 01:38 PM

I have created 2 drafts trying to mix old players with newer players up to 1980 but it seems all I am getting is either older players or the newer players.

Is there a way to mix the two era's?

Brad K · 05-08-2024, 08:03 PM

In how many forums are you going to post this question?

(Sympathy bump. I don't play this way so don't know the answer.)

MightyVotto · 05-09-2024, 11:36 AM

Play Random Debut in Historical. You'll get a mix of all eras or the ones you choose.

Randystu · 05-12-2024, 06:22 PM

I am trying to get an answer but I don't get any answers that explain how to do this, if it is even possible.

Randystu · 05-12-2024, 06:22 PM

And how do you do that?

LansdowneSt · 05-12-2024, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Randystu

And how do you do that?

Start Screen>New Historical Game>Random Debut Mode

I'm playing a Historical Game begun in 1920 with random players from all eras. My previous game was a game starting in 1975 with random players from 1965 to 2023 mixed randomly in the inaugural and draft classes. If that is what you are looking for, that is easy. If you have other particular details of what you are trying to do someone could perhaps better answer.

Reed · 05-13-2024, 08:33 AM

How about some basic information on what you are trying to achieve?
Are you wanting to play 1 year only or multi year career mode?
If multi year do you want “older” players in the annual draft each year or do you want them to come in at their debut age?

If the latter “multi year” with players after the inaugural season coming in at the debut age but you only want the better players. Then do as others suggest-Random League- but under rules tab set rookie draft to about 8 rounds BUT import about 25 rounds of available players. (On right side of rules tab near bottom are settings for both in game.). In 3 or 4 years you will have close to all star level teams playing each other. You can adjust how strong or weak the teams/players in your league are by adjusting the number of rounds (players) you import.

People are trying to help but you come across sounding like you want instant easy gratification. Sorry if I took it wrong. Diving into something complex is not a good way to learn OOTP. I don’t understand how you have been on the forum/OOTP for 10 years but don’t know what WAR or Baseball Reference are?

Randystu · 05-13-2024, 05:06 PM

No I just would like a procedure as the game is complicated. I have sports mogul baseball game and found it much easier to do this. But this game has features that SMB doesn't. So I am confused with this game. But what I would like to do is create a league with 2 divisions with 8 teams each, like in the 1930's. But I want historically the best players from 1900 -1980 so I can draft them onto each team myself. I am looking to play one season this way. I want players at their best years. Does that help? So I am trying to find out if it is even possible and how to do it. I have tried many times to create this with no success, seem to get fictious players most time. I am up to my 11th try.

I may have been on the forum for 10 years but I have not played any computer games in those 10 years, now I am back at playing and remembered this game. So I have not been a frequent user of the game in the last 10 years nor been on this forum until version 25 came out.

Randystu · 05-13-2024, 05:06 PM

LansDownSt.

Yes that I think would be what I want. But I don't know how you set this up.

Randystu · 05-13-2024, 05:07 PM

I'll try that: Start Screen>New Historical Game>Random Debut Mode

Randystu · 05-13-2024, 05:14 PM

I tried that but the problem I am having is when I have to select a season, they are broken into short spans of years. Nothing for 1900 to 1980.

David Watts · 05-13-2024, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randystu

I'll try that: Start Screen>New Historical Game>Random Debut Mode

Random debut is not going to give you the best players, nor will it give the players best season. Random debut will give you random players, so you will get bad players, average players, good players and great players all mixed together. The inaugural draft will feature players from random years in their careers. Example, you may get Babe Ruth when he's 34, Ty Cobb when he's 26 or Jim Palmer at 30. Each draft after the inaugural draft will feature random players starting their careers the year they made their MLB debut.

What it sounds like you want is a league featuring only the best players. To do that you will have to manually import the players. I've never done that, so I have no clue how to help you.

Randystu · 05-13-2024, 05:31 PM

Yeah I tried that and got a lot of players that were not very famous. I know most of the famous players from the 1920 to 1980's and saw a few but far between.

Would the inaugural draft allow me to pick players from the complete database? How do you do an inaugural draft?

David Watts · 05-13-2024, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randystu

Yeah I tried that and got a lot of players that were not very famous. I know most of the famous players from the 1920 to 1980's and saw a few but far between.

Would the inaugural draft allow me to pick players from the complete database? How do you do an inaugural draft?

In a random debut league you would get enough players for a 44 round inaugural draft if you started your league in 1930 (16 teams x 44 rounds equals 704 total players). You would not be able to choose from all players from 1920-1980. OOTP would randomly pick the 704 players from the periods between 1920-1980 to fill your draft pool.

LansdowneSt · 05-13-2024, 06:04 PM

It's possible to do but is a lot of work for a novice. The way to do it is to run a Stathead search of baseball-reference (paywall) by team for their top WAR players for batters and pitchers for those year ranges. Then paste the results into Excel, keeping the hyperlink. Do this for all teams pasting the lists in back-to-back rows in Excel filling it downwards.

Run a macro to extract the hyperlink in its full form in the column next to it. Run two find/replace functions to eliminate all parts of the hyperlink so after the find/replace is run, all that is left is the import code. Then eliminate all the columns except the player name and the code and the team. Remove all hyperlinks from those three remaining columns. Insert a column between the code and the team. Decide what year to put in the empty cell next to each ID. That will be the "best year" or whatever year you want to bring them in as. Once that is done. Eliminate the first column that was their name, and you are left with three columns. ID, year, Team ID. Save as a csv - make sure there are no headers to the columns. Go in as OOTP commissioner to a 19XX historical game (or whatever game year you want to start). Go to Game Settings and release all the players into the Free Agent Pool. Then from that same screen, delete all those free agents. The teams are there. You are in the year you want. No players exist. Go to the 16 teams and ensure that the ID code for the team aligns with the csv file. Change any that don't so the csv matches the game codes.

Then go to the sign free agent screen and on the right side (still as Commish) open the drop down and go to import historical player. From there you want to toggle on import from a list. Navigate to the csv and then import all those players at once. If there is an issue using a csv, we'd need to cut and paste it into a txt file, but I think a csv will work just as well.

All the players should go to their team. See if any didn't import or ended up in the free agent pool and redo those individually as one-off imports or (if they just didn't make it on the team), assign them to their team as necessary via the player editor

I can picture the steps. But it is a ton of work and knowledge to accomplish.

Randystu · 05-22-2024, 02:51 AM

This game doesn't sound like it is something that can be done easily like Sports Mogul Baseball. Shame as it would be even better if it did.

fredbeene · 05-22-2024, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Watts

Random debut is not going to give you the best players, nor will it give the players best season. Random debut will give you random players, so you will get bad players, average players, good players and great players all mixed together. The inaugural draft will feature players from random years in their careers. Example, you may get Babe Ruth when he's 34, Ty Cobb when he's 26 or Jim Palmer at 30. Each draft after the inaugural draft will feature random players starting their careers the year they made their MLB debut.

What it sounds like you want is a league featuring only the best players. To do that you will have to manually import the players. I've never done that, so I have no clue how to help you.

What it doesn't do is explain with the player in their debut years.
Say Jim Palmer had a crappy year at 30, potential is no factor after 29 So what becomes of him if you don't have recalc on (which i don't want on)

Is there a way to mask their Debut year. Would be a fun challenge then already knowing if you are getting a peak season or dud season

Is there a way to random debut players at their FIRST year.

fredbeene · 05-22-2024, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

It's possible to do but is a lot of work for a novice. The way to do it is to run a Stathead search of baseball-reference (paywall) by team for their top WAR players for batters and pitchers for those year ranges. Then paste the results into Excel, keeping the hyperlink. Do this for all teams pasting the lists in back-to-back rows in Excel filling it downwards.

Run a macro to extract the hyperlink in its full form in the column next to it. Run two find/replace functions to eliminate all parts of the hyperlink so after the find/replace is run, all that is left is the import code. Then eliminate all the columns except the player name and the code and the team. Remove all hyperlinks from those three remaining columns. Insert a column between the code and the team. Decide what year to put in the empty cell next to each ID. That will be the "best year" or whatever year you want to bring them in as. Once that is done. Eliminate the first column that was their name, and you are left with three columns. ID, year, Team ID. Save as a csv - make sure there are no headers to the columns. Go in as OOTP commissioner to a 19XX historical game (or whatever game year you want to start). Go to Game Settings and release all the players into the Free Agent Pool. Then from that same screen, delete all those free agents. The teams are there. You are in the year you want. No players exist. Go to the 16 teams and ensure that the ID code for the team aligns with the csv file. Change any that don't so the csv matches the game codes.

Then go to the sign free agent screen and on the right side (still as Commish) open the drop down and go to import historical player. From there you want to toggle on import from a list. Navigate to the csv and then import all those players at once. If there is an issue using a csv, we'd need to cut and paste it into a txt file, but I think a csv will work just as well.

All the players should go to their team. See if any didn't import or ended up in the free agent pool and redo those individually as one-off imports or (if they just didn't make it on the team), assign them to their team as necessary via the player editor

I can picture the steps. But it is a ton of work and knowledge to accomplish.

appreciate the steps..
but silly we have do this.
another area OOTPB has neglected for 20 years.
I mean really, you can set how want players to import PEAK SEASON, PEAK POTENTIAL (never really works) etc
Can't add a few lines of code and option to random debut at peak season

I know this doesn't answer the 'best player option'. my poor point is historical gamers get bread crumbs each year and new fonts

Randystu · 05-28-2024, 01:49 AM

It's too bad that you can't use the best players throughout the baseball seasons like Sports Mogul. I have multiple leagues setup drafting the best players usually with their best years for stats. I think the programmers could do this quite easily as they have some of the players and lots of lousy players. Why would I want to play with lousy players when I could draft great players from all eras like in Sports Mogul. They make it very easy to do this.

05-08-2024, 01:38 PM	#1
Randystu Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 38	Playing with older players and newer players I have created 2 drafts trying to mix old players with newer players up to 1980 but it seems all I am getting is either older players or the newer players. Is there a way to mix the two era's?

05-13-2024, 08:33 AM	#7
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	How about some basic information on what you are trying to achieve? Are you wanting to play 1 year only or multi year career mode? If multi year do you want “older” players in the annual draft each year or do you want them to come in at their debut age? If the latter “multi year” with players after the inaugural season coming in at the debut age but you only want the better players. Then do as others suggest-Random League- but under rules tab set rookie draft to about 8 rounds BUT import about 25 rounds of available players. (On right side of rules tab near bottom are settings for both in game.). In 3 or 4 years you will have close to all star level teams playing each other. You can adjust how strong or weak the teams/players in your league are by adjusting the number of rounds (players) you import. People are trying to help but you come across sounding like you want instant easy gratification. Sorry if I took it wrong. Diving into something complex is not a good way to learn OOTP. I don’t understand how you have been on the forum/OOTP for 10 years but don’t know what WAR or Baseball Reference are? __________________ I am not responsible for anything I post!!! Use at your own risk!

05-13-2024, 06:04 PM	#15
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,482	It's possible to do but is a lot of work for a novice. The way to do it is to run a Stathead search of baseball-reference (paywall) by team for their top WAR players for batters and pitchers for those year ranges. Then paste the results into Excel, keeping the hyperlink. Do this for all teams pasting the lists in back-to-back rows in Excel filling it downwards. Run a macro to extract the hyperlink in its full form in the column next to it. Run two find/replace functions to eliminate all parts of the hyperlink so after the find/replace is run, all that is left is the import code. Then eliminate all the columns except the player name and the code and the team. Remove all hyperlinks from those three remaining columns. Insert a column between the code and the team. Decide what year to put in the empty cell next to each ID. That will be the "best year" or whatever year you want to bring them in as. Once that is done. Eliminate the first column that was their name, and you are left with three columns. ID, year, Team ID. Save as a csv - make sure there are no headers to the columns. Go in as OOTP commissioner to a 19XX historical game (or whatever game year you want to start). Go to Game Settings and release all the players into the Free Agent Pool. Then from that same screen, delete all those free agents. The teams are there. You are in the year you want. No players exist. Go to the 16 teams and ensure that the ID code for the team aligns with the csv file. Change any that don't so the csv matches the game codes. Then go to the sign free agent screen and on the right side (still as Commish) open the drop down and go to import historical player. From there you want to toggle on import from a list. Navigate to the csv and then import all those players at once. If there is an issue using a csv, we'd need to cut and paste it into a txt file, but I think a csv will work just as well. All the players should go to their team. See if any didn't import or ended up in the free agent pool and redo those individually as one-off imports or (if they just didn't make it on the team), assign them to their team as necessary via the player editor I can picture the steps. But it is a ton of work and knowledge to accomplish. __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

05-08-2024, 08:03 PM	#2
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	In how many forums are you going to post this question? (Sympathy bump. I don't play this way so don't know the answer.)

05-09-2024, 11:36 AM	#3
MightyVotto Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 125	Play Random Debut in Historical. You'll get a mix of all eras or the ones you choose.

05-12-2024, 06:22 PM	#4
Randystu Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 38	I am trying to get an answer but I don't get any answers that explain how to do this, if it is even possible.

05-13-2024, 05:06 PM	#8
Randystu Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 38	No I just would like a procedure as the game is complicated. I have sports mogul baseball game and found it much easier to do this. But this game has features that SMB doesn't. So I am confused with this game. But what I would like to do is create a league with 2 divisions with 8 teams each, like in the 1930's. But I want historically the best players from 1900 -1980 so I can draft them onto each team myself. I am looking to play one season this way. I want players at their best years. Does that help? So I am trying to find out if it is even possible and how to do it. I have tried many times to create this with no success, seem to get fictious players most time. I am up to my 11th try. I may have been on the forum for 10 years but I have not played any computer games in those 10 years, now I am back at playing and remembered this game. So I have not been a frequent user of the game in the last 10 years nor been on this forum until version 25 came out.

05-13-2024, 05:07 PM	#10
Randystu Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 38	I'll try that: Start Screen>New Historical Game>Random Debut Mode

05-13-2024, 05:14 PM	#11
Randystu Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 38	I tried that but the problem I am having is when I have to select a season, they are broken into short spans of years. Nothing for 1900 to 1980.

05-13-2024, 05:31 PM	#13
Randystu Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 38	Yeah I tried that and got a lot of players that were not very famous. I know most of the famous players from the 1920 to 1980's and saw a few but far between. Would the inaugural draft allow me to pick players from the complete database? How do you do an inaugural draft?

05-22-2024, 02:51 AM	#16
Randystu Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 38	This game doesn't sound like it is something that can be done easily like Sports Mogul Baseball. Shame as it would be even better if it did.

05-28-2024, 01:49 AM	#19
Randystu Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2014 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 38	It's too bad that you can't use the best players throughout the baseball seasons like Sports Mogul. I have multiple leagues setup drafting the best players usually with their best years for stats. I think the programmers could do this quite easily as they have some of the players and lots of lousy players. Why would I want to play with lousy players when I could draft great players from all eras like in Sports Mogul. They make it very easy to do this.