Thread for player identification in team photos

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

Another Pittsburgh Pirates team photo, this one has a suggested date of 1906.

Again I have not seen names published for the players in the photo. If anyone can provide the names again be very grateful.

1905 Pittsburg Pirates
This image is from 1905 (not 1906), and was published in the Pittsburg Post on April 9th of that year.

Top Row: Ginger Beaumont, Fred Carisch, Sam Leever, Otis Clymer, Charlie Case, George McBride, Vive Lindaman, Clyde Goodwin
Middle Row: Honus Wagner, Heine Peitz, Del Howard, Bill Clancy, Mike Lynch, Deacon Phillippe, Clarence Holmes
Bottom Row: Pat Flaherty, Claude Ritchey, Fred Clarke, Homer Hillebrand, Chick Robitaille, Tommy Leach

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by RUKen

1905 Pittsburg Pirates
This image is from 1905 (not 1906), and was published in the Pittsburg Post on April 9th of that year.

Top Row: Ginger Beaumont, Fred Carisch, Sam Leever, Otis Clymer, Charlie Case, George McBride, Vive Lindaman, Clyde Goodwin
Middle Row: Honus Wagner, Heine Peitz, Del Howard, Bill Clancy, Mike Lynch, Deacon Phillippe, Clarence Holmes
Bottom Row: Pat Flaherty, Claude Ritchey, Fred Clarke, Homer Hillebrand, Chick Robitaille, Tommy Leach

Thank you, very much appreciated!

[prewinter]

There is a player from the 1913 Covington Blue Sox identified in box scores and articles simply as Exeter. He is pictured and identified in the team photo for the club taken early in the season. The name is clearly an alias, as there is no other record of anyone by that name playing anywhere in the same time frame, not even as an amateur, nor do articles about the club provide any history for him, while they do provide backgrounds on other players.

I have a possibly identity - William O'Connell, a minor leaguer who was passed around between clubs in the spring of 1913, playing a few games with Waterbury in early May, before refusing to join the Columbus club. He drops out of the news right around the time Exeter debuts with Covington.

At the end of the season, several members of the Kansas City Federal League club (to which city the Covington club transferred in season) were identified playing in a game against the club from Kokomo (IN). The players were identified as Hogue, Hicks, Badel and O'Connell at shortstop, the position Exeter played for Covington/Kansas City.

Here is the photo of Exeter (on the left) compared with two photos of O'Connell from 1912. Any opinion as to whether they are the same person?

Also, I've found the Covington photo printed in two different newspapers (one contemporary, one many years later), as well as being shown in a documentary about the club, and connected to a bar in Covington that celebrates the club. Does anyone have a more clear version of the photo than what I have shown here?

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by prewinter

There is a player from the 1913 Covington Blue Sox identified in box scores and articles simply as Exeter. He is pictured and identified in the team photo for the club taken early in the season. The name is clearly an alias, as there is no other record of anyone by that name playing anywhere in the same time frame, not even as an amateur, nor do articles about the club provide any history for him, while they do provide backgrounds on other players.

I have a possibly identity - William O'Connell, a minor leaguer who was passed around between clubs in the spring of 1913, playing a few games with Waterbury in early May, before refusing to join the Columbus club. He drops out of the news right around the time Exeter debuts with Covington.

At the end of the season, several members of the Kansas City Federal League club (to which city the Covington club transferred in season) were identified playing in a game against the club from Kokomo (IN). The players were identified as Hogue, Hicks, Badel and O'Connell at shortstop, the position Exeter played for Covington/Kansas City.

Here is the photo of Exeter (on the left) compared with two photos of O'Connell from 1912. Any opinion as to whether they are the same person?

Also, I've found the Covington photo printed in two different newspapers (one contemporary, one many years later), as well as being shown in a documentary about the club, and connected to a bar in Covington that celebrates the club. Does anyone have a more clear version of the photo than what I have shown here?

1913 Covington Blue Sox

The image of Exeter is not nearly clear enough to determine if he is a match for the newspaper images of O'Connell. Baseball-reference.com indicates that Exeter played most of his games at third base for Covington/KC, and none at shortstop. Have you found box scores that indicate that he was a shortstop?

Since this is a team photo thread, I have attached below the panoramic image from the brewery's website of the Blue Sox, with IDs beneath.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by RUKen

1913 Covington Blue Sox

The image of Exeter is not nearly clear enough to determine if he is a match for the newspaper images of O'Connell. Baseball-reference.com indicates that Exeter played most of his games at third base for Covington/KC, and none at shortstop. Have you found box scores that indicate that he was a shortstop?

Since this is a team photo thread, I have attached below the panoramic image from the brewery's website of the Blue Sox, with IDs beneath.

You are correct that Exeter played third base for Covington. Covington had Derringer at short for most of the time. Exeter broke two fingers in a game in June and that was the end of him in the records anywhere. The shortstop position was the reference in the post-season game, where the name O'Connell was used. My mixup.

William O'Connell played third base the next year (1914) with Lewiston. When he was signed he was described by the local paper as a third baseman.

The panoramic image from the brewery website looks like the original from which the newspaper images were made. I wonder if a clearer view of the photo could be obtained.

The first player on the left identified as Peggy, was Joseph Reggy, full name Joseph Regensburger.

[Ilove_Telin54]

some known who this player from New York Mutuals
i found this from wikipedia

[UKBaseballfan]

The attached team photo, which indicates it is of the 1909 Cleveland Naps, originates I believe from the Bain collection. To date I have yet to see identifications of the players depicted. Can anyone help out in providing the names.

[cinemaodyssey]

Originally Posted by UKBaseballfan

The attached team photo, which indicates it is of the 1909 Cleveland Naps, originates I believe from the Bain collection. To date I have yet to see identifications of the players depicted. Can anyone help out in providing the names.

BMarlowe did the photo identifications back in 2013 https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...ostcount=20476

[cinemaodyssey]

Originally Posted by Ilove_Telin54

some known who this player from New York Mutuals
i found this from wikipedia

I can tell you that the fact the baseball research community has seen this photo many times but does not recognize his face means he is likely a sought-after missing player. Sadly without any comparisons to be had we can't know for certain who he is.

[UKBaseballfan]

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

BMarlowe did the photo identifications back in 2013 https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...ostcount=20476

Thank you I believe the unidentified player at the left of the top row was subsequently identified as George Boice.

[Ilove_Telin54]

Originally Posted by cinemaodyssey

I can tell you that the fact the baseball research community has seen this photo many times but does not recognize his face means he is likely a sought-after missing player. Sadly without any comparisons to be had we can't know for certain who he is.

oh prob is random person who is fan of New York Mutuals or it just kinda player who never this team

[Patsy Tebeau]

I seen that guy a lot and have been trying to ID him for years now. I don't think there will ever be any solid proof as to his identity sadly, like a lot of pre-mlb player images I found. Heck, even some of the team photos that have the name of the teams ID'd sadly dont have info as to who anyone on the team was like the Active of New York team photo I found.

[Patsy Tebeau]

I definitely think its more likely that he was a player than a fan since it wasnt exactly easy to buy full replica uniforms of your favorite teams back then. Especially back when baseball was an amateur game.

[Patsy Tebeau]

I doubt we will get much on this but I am wondering if anyone has since been able to find match faces to names with the Atlantics players. In order from the top (players only) is Dickey Pearce, Unknown, Charlie Smith, Unknown, and Peter O'Brien. The entire bottom row is unknown. There is a list of names of the players on this team but which one is which is a mystery. The unidentified players are: John Price, John Oliver, Joe Oliver, Tice Hamilton, Archie McMahon, Mattie O'Brien, Folkert Boerum, Seinsoth(?), and W. Hawkhurst/Hawkshurst/Hawxhurst. If anyone knows who is who or maybe has a good guess I would appreciate it.

[Patsy Tebeau]

Originally Posted by Ilove_Telin54

some known who this player from New York Mutuals
i found this from wikipedia

Here's the 1864 Mutuals team photo. I think that could possibly be #6 Edward Ward but I can't say I'm 100% sure especially given how long this player was not identified for.

[prewinter]

Originally Posted by Patsy Tebeau

I doubt we will get much on this but I am wondering if anyone has since been able to find match faces to names with the Atlantics players. In order from the top (players only) is Dickey Pearce, Unknown, Charlie Smith, Unknown, and Peter O'Brien. The entire bottom row is unknown. There is a list of names of the players on this team but which one is which is a mystery. The unidentified players are: John Price, John Oliver, Joe Oliver, Tice Hamilton, Archie McMahon, Mattie O'Brien, Folkert Boerum, Seinsoth(?), and W. Hawkhurst/Hawkshurst/Hawxhurst. If anyone knows who is who or maybe has a good guess I would appreciate it.

I found a boxscore from May 26, 1860 that showed two players with the Atlantic named Seinsoth: G. Seinsoth in left field and F. Seinsoth in right field. In 1861, they are described as "the three brothers Seinsoth" when joined by brother R. Seinsoth for a game against Newark (Aug 6, 1861 Brooklyn Daily Eagle). Records from the time suggest that Francis Seinsoth (1830-1901) and George Seinsoth (firefighter, d. 1892) lived in Brooklyn around that time, but I do not know if they were brothers.

A boxscore in the Brooklyn Evening Star with both Boerum and Seinsoth from October 9, 1860 also includes both a M. O'Brien (p) and P. O'Brien (lf).

I'm afraid all I've done is add more suspects to the list.

[UKBaseballfan]

The attached image has been identified as the 1911 Senators. The team photo has been expertly colorized by Don Stokes. Does anyone have any identifications for the players depicted.

From information provided below by RUKen most notably pinpointing the likely time and location of the image the following identifications are suggested :-

Top Row (l-r)

Doc Gessler, Fred Sherry, Wid Conroy, Bill Cunningham, Jack Lelivelt, Bob Groom, John Somerlott, Walter Johnson, Tom Hughes, Gabby Street, Bill Otey, George McBride

Bottom Row

Germany Schaefer, Clyde Milan, Charles Conway, Warren Miller, Eddie Ainsmith, Kid Elberfeld, John Henry

[RUKen]

1911 Washington Nationals

The setting is Hilltop Park in New York, so we know that this is not a spring training photo. The Nationals (as they had been known since 1905) were the Highlanders' opponents for their home opener in April. Several of the players are wearing heavy sweaters, suggesting that this is an early-season image, and there were usually lots of photographs taken on Opening Day at each ballpark, so I think there is an excellent chance that this image can be dated to April 21st, 1911.

I have attached below a list of the 23 players that were with the Nationals at the end of spring training, and I have lined out three that were cut just before the season began, leaving twenty. There are 19 players in the photo; I expect that they are all among the twenty on the early-season roster. I've also attached an image of Manager Jimmy McAleer, who I am pretty sure was normally managing in street clothes by 1911 and is not in the photo. I will separately post images of the twenty players.

[RUKen]

1911 Washington Nationals

Ainsmith/Conroy/Conway/Cunningham

[RUKen]

1911 Washington Nationals

Elberfeld/Gessler/Gray/Groom