Little League Baseball

ignats75 · 03-29-2024, 12:02 AM

I've got a beef with the Game engine. There are waaaay too many OFers not doing the fundamental play of getting the ball in to the cutoff man. Instead they uncork their arms as though they're Roberto Clemente and runners advance. There should be more questions/options for the manager/player to choose where to throw the ball.

ignats75 · 03-31-2024, 12:42 PM

I'm bumping this, because nothing is going to drive me back to Football manager faster than this unrealistic outfield play. No way a single to RF should see a RFer throw to home plate and allow a runner to advnace to 2B. That's one of the first things taught to little leaguers. HIT THE CUTOFF MAN!. No RF in history is going to throw out a runner on second with two outs at the plate.

Lekniz · 03-31-2024, 04:32 PM

Do you watch MLB? Outfielders try to get the lead runner at the plate all the time.

Just today, Braves vs. Phillies, the Phillies had Rojas on 2B and Schwarber on 1B, Turner hit a ground ball to Acuña in RF. He threw it home. Rojas was safe, Schwarber advanced to 3rd, and Turner got to 2B.

Also it would be very odd to be able to make throwing decisions as a manager, considering that's completely on the fielder to decide.

md40022 · 04-01-2024, 11:19 AM

My response to this would be to ignore the visuals you see on the field. The visuals are wonky at times.... Cutoff men ridiculously out of position (ball hit to deep RF, cut off man taking the cut off in between 2B and 3B) and/or not even used. Like you said, the visuals will at times show the OF'er picking the ball up at the wall and then overshooting the cutoff man, but somehow still will throw a guy out from time to time.

Other examples of this are as I mentioned on another thread, baserunners will slide into home plate when they are already past home plate and halfway to the dugout. Or, maybe a better example that would pertain to your situation, with a runner on 3rd base an OF'er will catch a fly ball and visually it will look like he had to retreat and catch the ball on the warning track but then you'll get a text notification saying "do you want to tag up from 3rd base, the ball is very shallow....." and it's like how is that ball very shallow, the fielder is on the freaking warning track (in that situation, ALWAYS listen to the text and ignore the visual)

Point being, the visuals can be a little choppy or wonky at times and relay-man positioning and/or relay-man usage can be one of those weird things..... but it doesn't actually affect the play or the plays outcome if that makes any sense.

md40022 · 04-01-2024, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ignats75

I'm bumping this, because nothing is going to drive me back to Football manager faster than this unrealistic outfield play. No way a single to RF should see a RFer throw to home plate and allow a runner to advnace to 2B. That's one of the first things taught to little leaguers. HIT THE CUTOFF MAN!. No RF in history is going to throw out a runner on second with two outs at the plate.

Sorry, my first response was in response to your initial post. Only now did I read your 2nd post.....

YES, this could absolutely use some tweaking. It's not as much a deal breaker for me as it seems to be for you, but I absolutely agree with you.... A few too many throws home from the OF allowing the runner on first to advance to 2B since the cutoff was missed. That's definitely something that could use some refining.

Pelican · 04-01-2024, 03:23 PM

As a former OF, the visual depictions are frustrating, for sure. In addition to using the cutoff man where appropriate, I'd love to see throws home cut off to get a runner at third or second.

This is an example of the video movement disconnected from the narrative. In fact, the text will sometimes describe a throw cut off, and a runner caught on the base paths. You just don't see that play in the visual. Over time the developers have been laboring to have the screen movement mirror the description. Not there yet.

I would not worry too much over what you see, because what you read in the text narrative of the play more closely corresponds to what is actually happening in the game. You may see a lollipop throw looping into the catcher late; but the game file will show an assist for the second baseman who cut off the throw and caught the runner going to third. Which is the outcome you want to see.

ignats75 · 04-04-2024, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by md40022

My response to this would be to ignore the visuals you see on the field. The visuals are wonky at times.... Cutoff men ridiculously out of position (ball hit to deep RF, cut off man taking the cut off in between 2B and 3B) and/or not even used. Like you said, the visuals will at times show the OF'er picking the ball up at the wall and then overshooting the cutoff man, but somehow still will throw a guy out from time to time.

Other examples of this are as I mentioned on another thread, baserunners will slide into home plate when they are already past home plate and halfway to the dugout. Or, maybe a better example that would pertain to your situation, with a runner on 3rd base an OF'er will catch a fly ball and visually it will look like he had to retreat and catch the ball on the warning track but then you'll get a text notification saying "do you want to tag up from 3rd base, the ball is very shallow....." and it's like how is that ball very shallow, the fielder is on the freaking warning track (in that situation, ALWAYS listen to the text and ignore the visual)

Point being, the visuals can be a little choppy or wonky at times and relay-man positioning and/or relay-man usage can be one of those weird things..... but it doesn't actually affect the play or the plays outcome if that makes any sense.

this raises another issue then. I guess I should stick to GM only then. I have two games going at the same time. I'm GMing the 2024 Cleveland Indians. I'm also managing the 1964 Cleveland Indians. I'd hate to give up the latter game as it gives me warm and fuzzies seeing the red sleeved vests with the Chief Wahoo on the breast from my youth. And my favorite all time player Sam McDowell. But if the action doesn't match the result, then what's the point? To me this is a huge issue.

monkeyman576 · 04-04-2024, 02:12 AM

Just remember that it's not MLB The Show. It's supposed to be about the stats not the visuals. If you can't get any enjoyment with the visual errors, then ya you can just sim, but for me it's not really a huge deal.

tward13 · 04-04-2024, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Just remember that it's not MLB The Show. It's supposed to be about the stats not the visuals. If you can't get any enjoyment with the visual errors, then ya you can just sim, but for me it's not really a huge deal.

But they already have the result of the play behind the scenes, how can they now not act it out.

People talk about immersion, watching this stuff happen keeps me from playing games out. Do runners still not run through first when they're out?

03-29-2024, 12:02 AM	#1
ignats75 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Lakewood, OH Posts: 281	Little League Baseball I've got a beef with the Game engine. There are waaaay too many OFers not doing the fundamental play of getting the ball in to the cutoff man. Instead they uncork their arms as though they're Roberto Clemente and runners advance. There should be more questions/options for the manager/player to choose where to throw the ball. __________________

03-31-2024, 12:42 PM	#2
ignats75 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Lakewood, OH Posts: 281	I'm bumping this, because nothing is going to drive me back to Football manager faster than this unrealistic outfield play. No way a single to RF should see a RFer throw to home plate and allow a runner to advnace to 2B. That's one of the first things taught to little leaguers. HIT THE CUTOFF MAN!. No RF in history is going to throw out a runner on second with two outs at the plate. __________________

04-01-2024, 03:23 PM	#6
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,801 Blog Entries: 1	As a former OF, the visual depictions are frustrating, for sure. In addition to using the cutoff man where appropriate, I'd love to see throws home cut off to get a runner at third or second. This is an example of the video movement disconnected from the narrative. In fact, the text will sometimes describe a throw cut off, and a runner caught on the base paths. You just don't see that play in the visual. Over time the developers have been laboring to have the screen movement mirror the description. Not there yet. I would not worry too much over what you see, because what you read in the text narrative of the play more closely corresponds to what is actually happening in the game. You may see a lollipop throw looping into the catcher late; but the game file will show an assist for the second baseman who cut off the throw and caught the runner going to third. Which is the outcome you want to see. __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.”

03-31-2024, 04:32 PM	#3
Lekniz Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 19	Do you watch MLB? Outfielders try to get the lead runner at the plate all the time. Just today, Braves vs. Phillies, the Phillies had Rojas on 2B and Schwarber on 1B, Turner hit a ground ball to Acuña in RF. He threw it home. Rojas was safe, Schwarber advanced to 3rd, and Turner got to 2B. Also it would be very odd to be able to make throwing decisions as a manager, considering that's completely on the fielder to decide.

04-01-2024, 11:19 AM	#4
md40022 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 740 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	My response to this would be to ignore the visuals you see on the field. The visuals are wonky at times.... Cutoff men ridiculously out of position (ball hit to deep RF, cut off man taking the cut off in between 2B and 3B) and/or not even used. Like you said, the visuals will at times show the OF'er picking the ball up at the wall and then overshooting the cutoff man, but somehow still will throw a guy out from time to time. Other examples of this are as I mentioned on another thread, baserunners will slide into home plate when they are already past home plate and halfway to the dugout. Or, maybe a better example that would pertain to your situation, with a runner on 3rd base an OF'er will catch a fly ball and visually it will look like he had to retreat and catch the ball on the warning track but then you'll get a text notification saying "do you want to tag up from 3rd base, the ball is very shallow....." and it's like how is that ball very shallow, the fielder is on the freaking warning track (in that situation, ALWAYS listen to the text and ignore the visual) Point being, the visuals can be a little choppy or wonky at times and relay-man positioning and/or relay-man usage can be one of those weird things..... but it doesn't actually affect the play or the plays outcome if that makes any sense.

04-04-2024, 02:12 AM	#8
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,328	Just remember that it's not MLB The Show. It's supposed to be about the stats not the visuals. If you can't get any enjoyment with the visual errors, then ya you can just sim, but for me it's not really a huge deal.