relationship between 20-80 scale and WAR in other leages

jiyongppp · 03-23-2024, 11:12 AM

https://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com...&page=glossary

According to the OOTP manual, OOTP uses a version of "fWAR"

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/scouting...couting-scale/

And Fangraphs says 50 grade hitters will record WAR 2.0.

It seems to work well in MLB of OOTP.
However, it doesn't necessarily fit in other leagues except MLB.

So I want to know how the correlation between 20-80 scouting scale and WAR is set up in other leagues like KBO or fictional leagues.

Rain King · 03-23-2024, 11:19 AM

Why doesn't it fit in the other leagues?

The only factor I can think of would be season length, so just adjust the WAR totals by the percentage of games that are played compared to MLB.

Cod · 03-23-2024, 01:05 PM

I'm unclear how this doesn't work in other leagues as well. I checked Japanese league numbers and they match with the table you posted for the most part. For example, Yamamoto posted a 7.0 WAR in 2023 and was a top starter. Also, Aren Kuri of Hiroshima Carp had a 4.5 WAR and is definitely an all-star caliber pitcher.

Cod · 03-23-2024, 01:16 PM

I checked KBO stats just now and they match your table as well. Erik Fedde was the top pitcher in the league with a 6.3 WAR and he was very dominant last season for the NC Dinos. Of course, using MLB relative, Fedde is not going to be much higher than a 40, but KBO relative, he would be a 65+ easily.

jiyongppp · 03-23-2024, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cod

I checked KBO stats just now and they match your table as well. Erik Fedde was the top pitcher in the league with a 6.3 WAR and he was very dominant last season for the NC Dinos. Of course, using MLB relative, Fedde is not going to be much higher than a 40, but KBO relative, he would be a 65+ easily.

Well, I tried to simulate a KBO season. I attached screenshots of the starting pitcher and the hitter.
I think there is a bit of a difference from MLB. Should I think this is within the margin of error?

jiyongppp · 03-23-2024, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

Why doesn't it fit in the other leagues?

The only factor I can think of would be season length, so just adjust the WAR totals by the percentage of games that are played compared to MLB.

MLB season schedule consists of 162 games.
In KBO, it is 144 games.

If so, do I just multiply 162/144?
Is the average regular hitter 56.25 grade in KBO?

Rain King · 03-23-2024, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jiyongppp

MLB season schedule consists of 162 games.
In KBO, it is 144 games.

If so, do I just multiply 162/144?
Is the average regular hitter 56.25 grade in KBO?

No. Fewer games means less WAR gets accumulated...so you would expect slightly lower numbers on that side of the scale.

So, 7.0 WAR in MLB becomes about 6.2 WAR in KBO.

jiyongppp · 03-23-2024, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain King

No. Fewer games means less WAR gets accumulated...so you would expect slightly lower numbers on that side of the scale.

So, 7.0 WAR in MLB becomes about 6.2 WAR in KBO.

Oh, I have to calculate on the contrary.
So, the average regular hitter(grade 50) record 1.8 WAR in KBO, right?
(2.0*144/162)

Cod · 03-23-2024, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jiyongppp

Oh, I have to calculate on the contrary.
So, the average regular hitter(grade 50) record 1.8 WAR in KBO, right?
(2.0*144/162)

That's a good estimate. There is a slight margin of error since WAR is a much more detailed equation, especially for pitchers because of innings pitched, but your formula is good enough for these purposes.

jiyongppp · 03-24-2024, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cod

That's a good estimate. There is a slight margin of error since WAR is a much more detailed equation, especially for pitchers because of innings pitched, but your formula is good enough for these purposes.

Thank you for your kind reply

03-23-2024, 11:12 AM	#1
jiyongppp Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 129	relationship between 20-80 scale and WAR in other leages https://manuals.ootpdevelopments.com...&page=glossary According to the OOTP manual, OOTP uses a version of "fWAR" https://blogs.fangraphs.com/scouting...couting-scale/ And Fangraphs says 50 grade hitters will record WAR 2.0. It seems to work well in MLB of OOTP. However, it doesn't necessarily fit in other leagues except MLB. So I want to know how the correlation between 20-80 scouting scale and WAR is set up in other leagues like KBO or fictional leagues. Attached Images Last edited by jiyongppp; 03-23-2024 at 11:15 AM.

03-23-2024, 11:19 AM	#2
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,010 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	Why doesn't it fit in the other leagues? The only factor I can think of would be season length, so just adjust the WAR totals by the percentage of games that are played compared to MLB.

03-23-2024, 01:05 PM	#3
Cod All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,087	I'm unclear how this doesn't work in other leagues as well. I checked Japanese league numbers and they match with the table you posted for the most part. For example, Yamamoto posted a 7.0 WAR in 2023 and was a top starter. Also, Aren Kuri of Hiroshima Carp had a 4.5 WAR and is definitely an all-star caliber pitcher.

03-23-2024, 01:16 PM	#4
Cod All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,087	I checked KBO stats just now and they match your table as well. Erik Fedde was the top pitcher in the league with a 6.3 WAR and he was very dominant last season for the NC Dinos. Of course, using MLB relative, Fedde is not going to be much higher than a 40, but KBO relative, he would be a 65+ easily.