Roster set issues (2024 MLB / MiLB / KBO / Honkbal / NBL) go here.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by theprofessional

I'm running a playthrough with the yankees, just some quick ratings/position changes I'd suggest:

Gerrit Cole is rated way too low, he's coming off a Cy Young season and is considered the best SP in MLB. He should at least be a top 3 pitcher in the game IMO. Also, he's going to be out for at least the first 2 months of the season with an elbow injury.

Anthony Volpe's defense needs an uptick, he won a Gold Glove as a rookie at SS last season.

Aaron Judge is going to be the Yankees' everyday CF, he should definitely be rated higher than 30/45 for the position. He played CF most of the 2022 season and was pretty good if not average/above average at the least.

Austin Wells is listed as a RF in AAA , he'll most likely start the year as the backup/rotational catcher on the MLB squad.

Alex Verdugo hit almost 40 doubles the past 2 seasons , his Gap power should be increased.

Cole, our ZIPS projections (which are an earlier version than the published one) do not really love this year for whatever reason. I've considered whether to boost him a touch, it may yet happen.

Volpe, can check over, but we really don't care about gold gloves, those are notoriously political and often have little to do with actual fielding ability. Baseball Savant ranks him as essentially an average SS, which is more where we have him.

Judge, yeah good point. Boosted his CF experience and slightly boosted his component ratings too.

Wells, made some slight tweaks to try to get the AI to roster him. We'll be going over all teams though and trying to get them closer to OD rosters and lineups over the next couple weeks, so this will change for a lot of folks. Tweaked Verdugo too but like LansdowneSt mentions, Fenway is a factor here.

[mattsamuelw]

James Wood and Jackson Merrill says less than 4 pro years for Rule 5 Draft Eligibility instead of 5 years since both were drafted at 18 years old and should be eligible in 2025 Rule 5 draft, not 2024.

James Wood Screenshot: https://ibb.co/x33jzpN
Fangraph Link: https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ja...ts?position=OF

Jackson Merrill Screenshot: https://ibb.co/t84QF1W
Fangraph Link: https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ja...ts?position=SS


I'm guessing there are a lot more considering these are the only two I looked at.

[Paul Reuschel's Mustache]

I understand that MLB prospect ratings are still a WIP. I can only imagine the hours that go into that! If it helps, here's what I noticed looking through the Cubs prospects.


(2024 MLB.com Cubs prospect ranking in parentheses)

1B Michael Busch (4)
OOTP = 200 Def Exp at 2B should be removed since he will exclusively be a 1B for the Cubs.
OOTP = 45 Pot Avoid K's should be higher (at least 50). Busch made big improvements last year in AAA reducing SO and increasing BB.

2B Matt Shaw (5)
OOTP = 80 Speed is too high. Shaw has "solid" speed and good baserunning instincts. I'd suggest 55 for pure speed.

3B James Triantos (7)
OOTP = 65 Speed is too high. Should be 50 at most.
And Triantos should also be listed as a 2B - he played more games at 2B than 3B last year.

2B Jefferson Rojas (10)
OOTP = Pot Speed and Power too low for the Cubs #10 ranked prospect who had a good year in Single A at age 18.

RP Michael Arias (14)
Arias is a SP and one of the Cubs top SP prospects. His numbers across the board should be higher.

1B Matt Mervis (15)
Is exclusively a 1B now - should not have ratings at 3B and LF.

3B Pedro Martinez (19)
OOTP = 45 Speed too low since he has solid-to-plus speed.

1B Haydn McGeary (21)
OOTP = 200 Def Exp at C should be removed. He only played -2- games at C in Rookie League in 2022.

SP Brody McCullough (28)
Velocity should be 92-94 and his solid slider is missing.

SP Porter Hodge (29)
Should be a RP since he was moved to the bullpen last June.

2B Josh Rivera (30)
OOTP = 75 Speed is too high. Rivera has average speed but good instincts. And he should also have experience at 3B, where he is playing just as often as 2B.

LF Jordan Nwogu (--)
Should also have equal experience in RF.

CF Parker Chavers (--)
Does not play 2B.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by mattsamuelw

James Wood and Jackson Merrill says less than 4 pro years for Rule 5 Draft Eligibility instead of 5 years since both were drafted at 18 years old and should be eligible in 2025 Rule 5 draft, not 2024.

James Wood Screenshot: https://ibb.co/x33jzpN
Fangraph Link: https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ja...ts?position=OF

Jackson Merrill Screenshot: https://ibb.co/t84QF1W
Fangraph Link: https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ja...ts?position=SS


I'm guessing there are a lot more considering these are the only two I looked at.

You haven't advanced far enough to get into the 2024 season in that save.

They both only currently have three years.

They will get their fourth year added once the 2024 season starts (or finishes, I forget exactly which) in-game, and then they will be eligible.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Paul Reuschel's Mustache

I understand that MLB prospect ratings are still a WIP. I can only imagine the hours that go into that! If it helps, here's what I noticed looking through the Cubs prospects.

Yeah, they're very, very much still a WIP, but this sort of stuff is very helpful, thanks!

[coolfish2]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Is it just for pitchers that this is an issue in your opinion, or are batters rated a bit too highly as well?

omg i didn't expect positive reply but i really thank you you consider about this.

I posted about this in Korean community and currently I'm looking for everybody's opinion now because I play mlb more than kbo. so my privite opinion may not correct.

I will reply soon when I corect community's opinion enough. thank you again.

ps. some players thought OOTP Dev's don't mind about KBO but "I" think that's because nobody say problems in forum haha

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by coolfish2

omg i didn't expect positive reply but i really thank you you consider about this.

I posted about this in Korean community and currently I'm looking for everybody's opinion now because I play mlb more than kbo. so my privite opinion may not correct.

I will reply soon when I corect community's opinion enough. thank you again.
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Thanks!

For the patch we will release tomorrow, we have already adjusted down the KBO pitcher ratings by 12-15% globally. I tested a couple seasons with the new ratings today, and the player and league level stats still look pretty good. So I think there were no bad effects from the change.

We also adjusted down slightly a couple categories for betters that were a touch high. 5% less globally for both eye and gap.

Once the Korean community gets a chance to play with the rosters after we release the patch, we would love to hear back if people think it's good enough, or if it should be adjusted more.

Please also be aware we will continue to work on adjust the ratings on a player by player basis for the new couple weeks to get the rosters in good shape to match opening day. So any feedback the Korean community can provide here on anything we miss or should do better or needs to be changed would be very helpful. Especially information on players who are expected to play much bigger (or smaller) roles this year than last year would be very helpful to have.

Originally Posted by coolfish2

ps. some players thought OOTP Dev's don't mind about KBO but "I" think that's because nobody say problems in forum haha

Yes, this is absolutely it. The language barrier is the big issue and we do not follow along in the Korean community, just on the forums here, because we sadly do not speak Korean and Google translate can be hard to understand

We love the KBO and we're always happy to improve it, but we need folks who know the KBO better than we do from the Korean community to tell us here what is wrong or broken or what can be made better.

If you tell us, we will definitely try to fix and improve things as much as possible!

[jcard]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

A lot the pitch types, it really just depends on the source you look at whether a slider is classified as a cutter or vice versa. Same for a curve/knuckle curve, sometimes even a change/circle change/splitter.

It's pretty hard to get this consistent when not all sources are consistent in how they classify pitches.

Morton, if you look at Brooks baseball's pitch classifications, his curve is considered to be a knuckle curve. Which is why we have it defined as that.

https://www.brooksbaseball.net/landi...?player=450203

I understand that. In OOTP, however, a KC is a single specific pitch, one that is modeled as having a very large normal split. However one classifies Morton’s curve, the functional importance of the pitch is one he particularly relies on against LHBs. He has no equivalent in his OOTP arsenal, and this is reflected in his the large normal platoon splits in his pitching attributes. His viability as a starter is obviously compromised in OOTP that does not reflect reality. If the pitch types are deemed sacrosanct, then perhaps an adjustment using the R/L split tool in the player editor could be considered. Or not. I will drop the matter now, appreciating having had the chance to unpack some thoughts accumulated over a few years.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Also, do not post stuff like "Freeman just hit .250 in my sim, this cannot be right." or "Why has X better ratings than Y?". Posts like these will be ignored! Major league player ratings are based on ZiPS projections, not opinion.


Markus

I don’t think that feedback like this should necessarily be dismissed out of hand, for the simple reason that the ZiPS projections are not optimized specifically for the OOTP engine. Any game engine is a model that will have some unique element of abstraction and interpretation. It is quite possible that certain projected attribute profiles will be under or over valued when expressed through the OOTP engine.

[theprofessional]

All fair points, thanks for looking into it!

I'll also echo someone else's comments earlier in the thread regarding an overabundance of free agent's/journeymen type players who are being rated too highly.

Most players who are in FA (outside of Snell, Montgomery, JD Martinez, and maybe a couple others) should be at max 35-40 OVR.

[Marinersfan51]

Mitch Haniger has reverse splits in the editor, he's always had traditional splits over his career.

[negroleagueenthusiast]

Some prospect notes from some guys I have worked with in the past out of the ATL area-

Atlanta Braves OF Isaiah Drake's speed needs a big bump up, probably to the 70-75 range, power potential should be 45/50 not 40. CF defense into the 50/55 range, not 40. Arm strength may also need a bump up, he's really got a strong arm.

Source for power potential- https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-draft-c...t-leaders-2023

Source for speed- Ran a 6.15 60-yard dash

Red Sox 3B Antonio Anderson- Defensively, may need a bump up as he has a plus arm, would bump to 60. Bat profile looks good.

Red Sox SS Kristian Campbell- Played a ton of 2B in college, would open that up with 45 potential if it were up to me. Defense is never going to be his strong suit, but the bat and his patience will help him greatly.

Reds OF Kyle Henley- Has a good amount of raw power, would move gap power up to 45, gap power to 50.

Mariners 3B Tai Peete- Will play SS primarily, at least at beginning of season, I would make that his primary position. Would increase his speed ratings to 60 or 65 depending on how you tweak the stolen base numbers as well.








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[jiyongppp]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Hi,

I can understand your English perfectly, it's very good!

We'll take a look at this. Because of the early release and the move to the new ratings scale, we're still working on all the ratings more than usual.

What you mention about the Korean pitchers makes some sense as I look them over more closely. We can certainly take a look at cutting down the general ratings level a bit. I think 40% is too much though. We will try 12-15% first.

Then we will look things over and test more next week, as we work more on adjusting the rosters for the start of the season, to see if further adjustments are needed or not.

Is it just for pitchers that this is an issue in your opinion, or are batters rated a bit too highly as well?

Hello. I'm the user who posted that in Dcinside.

To summarize the issue, the level of foreign pitcher pool in KBO was so low in OOTP 23(not 24, 25).
I point out the following points.

1. There is one starting player in one position for a batter. So there are 30 starting batters in the MLB.

2. However, there are five starting players in a position called a starting pitcher. There are 150 starting pitchers in the MLB.
The 31st-ranked batter is a backup. But it is not a starting player from 151st place for the starting pitcher. In addition, GM can also use the 151st-ranked pitcher as a starting player called the bullpen.
In other words, (starting) pitchers are also valuable in MLB.

3. In reality, it is possible to get a contract with players in the MiLB. However, I can only do with players who are released in OOTP.

4. In summary, I have no choice but to find the treasure in the garbage can.

So I think that I should be able to contact MiLB players to fix this issue fundamentally.



Separately, I checked that issue in OOTP 25, and I think it works relatively normally in this work.
(Please refer to the attach file)

I think it's an old, bigger problem that AI GMs contact a foreign bullpen, not a starting pitcher.
Since 2014, there no foreign bullpen in the KBO. Foreign starting pitchers are a key resource for all team, and the scouters bet life and death to get them.
However, I can often see foreign bullpens in OOTP. So I hope this part will be fixed first.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by Marinersfan51

Mitch Haniger has reverse splits in the editor, he's always had traditional splits over his career.

I have said before that split ratings should really be regressed against the appropriate league baseline each year, with the player’s individual splits being progressively weighted more heavily as the most recent season’s stats added to the career totals annually. Basically, the established general method of estimating individual platoon skill. Unfortunately, it seems that the normal practice is for the initially assigned split, regardless of the sample size used in their creation, is just reapplied to each subsequent year’s overall baseline. To use your example (because I am already familiar with it), Haniger has had reverse split ratings for several versions of OOTP.

[Marinersfan51]

Originally Posted by jcard

I have said before that split ratings should really be regressed against the appropriate league baseline each year, with the player’s individual splits being progressively weighted more heavily as the most recent season’s stats added to the career totals annually. Basically, the established general method of estimating individual platoon skill. Unfortunately, it seems that the normal practice is for the initially assigned split, regardless of the sample size used in their creation, is just reapplied to each subsequent year’s overall baseline. To use your example (because I am already familiar with it), Haniger has had reverse split ratings for several versions of OOTP.

It looks like he had a notable reverse split back in 2017 (his first fullish season) so I'm guessing that is where it came from even though he has posted pretty substantial tradiational splits in every season since.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Marinersfan51

It looks like he had a notable reverse split back in 2017 (his first fullish season) so I'm guessing that is where it came from even though he has posted pretty substantial tradiational splits in every season since.

Adjusting splits is still on our to do list for this year.

In fact we did do it in a couple of our runs in importing ZIPS but with the new ratings scale this took more tries than usual, and at some point the changes got reset.

[theprofessional]

Originally Posted by theprofessional

All fair points, thanks for looking into it!

I'll also echo someone else's comments earlier in the thread regarding an overabundance of free agent's/journeymen type players who are being rated too highly.

Most players who are in FA (outside of Snell, Montgomery, JD Martinez, and maybe a couple others) should be at max 35-40 OVR.

Just a short list of FA's who are currently rated 45-50 OVR (which is an average MLB player rating), that should be decreased to a max of 35 OVR:

Matt Beaty, Travis Demeritte, Seuly Matias, Taylor Jones, Jerar Encarnacion, Ryan Lamarre, Nomar Mazara, Kyle Lewis, Danny Santana, Jordan Qsar, Nick Plummer, Tyler Naquin, Darin Ruf, Jorge Bonifacio, Kole Calhoun

That's just batters, there's an even greater abundance of scrub pitchers in real life who are rated 40+ in the game. I believe this is a big reason why the AI keeps shuffling their rosters around so much, dropping legit MLB players and prospects in favor of randoms. Most teams in the game have players that are 35-40 OVR on their MLB rosters and in AAA, who in real life are fighting for roster spots. These FA are leapfrogging legit MLB players and prospects in org rankings, despite the fact that most of them have barely even reached the majors in real life and done nothing to warrant their ratings.

Just one example to illustrate my point: Matt Beaty is a 50 OVR free agent with 60 contact. That contact rating puts him in a tie for 12th among all MLB players. He hit .230 across 70 PA in MLB last year. How is that rating justified? If we're being honest, most players in free agency need their ratings lowered drastically.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by jiyongppp

Hello. I'm the user who posted that in Dcinside.

To summarize the issue, the level of foreign pitcher pool in KBO was so low in OOTP 23(not 24, 25).
I point out the following points.
...
I think it's an old, bigger problem that AI GMs contact a foreign bullpen, not a starting pitcher.
Since 2014, there no foreign bullpen in the KBO. Foreign starting pitchers are a key resource for all team, and the scouters bet life and death to get them.
However, I can often see foreign bullpens in OOTP. So I hope this part will be fixed first.

Thank you very much for posting and for the summary of the issues!

I think that unfortunately this problem may be a little trickier to fix than the one of the KBO pitchers being rated a bit too highly, as it will likely involve a new AI setting to have teams prioritize starting pitchers when signing foreign players. I will suggest to the dev team that we add this though.

As far as not being able to get some higher level players currently in MiLB to sign with the KBO, this is also something that will probably involve some AI work. So it might also take a while. I'll also suggest that we work on this though. Hopefully we can improve both issues before too long!

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by theprofessional

Just one example to illustrate my point: Matt Beaty is a 50 OVR free agent with 60 contact. That contact rating puts him in a tie for 12th among all MLB players. He hit .230 across 70 PA in MLB last year. How is that rating justified? If we're being honest, most players in free agency need their ratings lowered drastically.

The FA ratings are very much in the still to be reviewed section. I can only think either ZIPS or the baseline projections from some other sources we used where ZIPS wasn't available probably overrated some of these guys. Or there may've been some anomalies in the import as well.

For sure we've seen that a bunch of contact ratings for marginal players (not only free agents) came in way too hot for whatever reason, and it's been a bit like playing whack a mole trying to get them down.

[negroleagueenthusiast]

Originally Posted by negroleagueenthusiast

Some prospect notes from some guys I have worked with in the past out of the ATL area-

Atlanta Braves OF Isaiah Drake's speed needs a big bump up, probably to the 70-75 range, power potential should be 45/50 not 40. CF defense into the 50/55 range, not 40. Arm strength may also need a bump up, he's really got a strong arm.

Source for power potential- https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-draft-c...t-leaders-2023

Source for speed- Ran a 6.15 60-yard dash

Red Sox 3B Antonio Anderson- Defensively, may need a bump up as he has a plus arm, would bump to 60. Bat profile looks good.

Red Sox SS Kristian Campbell- Played a ton of 2B in college, would open that up with 45 potential if it were up to me. Defense is never going to be his strong suit, but the bat and his patience will help him greatly.

Reds OF Kyle Henley- Has a good amount of raw power, would move gap power up to 45, gap power to 50.

Mariners 3B Tai Peete- Will play SS primarily, at least at beginning of season, I would make that his primary position. Would increase his speed ratings to 60 or 65 depending on how you tweak the stolen base numbers as well.








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I realize a lot of this may seem like gibberish, I apologize if this doesn’t help at all. Let me know if I need to clarify on anything.