Any closer to getting *** license back?

[snarls200]

yeah I think losing the other leagues was more about playing it safe after whatever action the rising sun league took

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I think they only physically scrambled the Japanese league and that reeks heavily of "the lawyers say we have to do this". The consequences for Markus et al wouldn't have just been "being sued into oblivion", it would have been Com2Us shutting the game down entirely.

It sucks but that's what it is. FM had to renegotiate their deal with Japanese players; before this, their network of amateur scouts were not able to grade players in Japan's league system at all, not even by scrambling the names and pretending they were from South Africa or whatever (if memory serves the unofficial line was that they had ratings for Japanese players which they were able to use for comparison purposes only, like "oh, this guy on the Japanese WC team with 17 rated speed just got outrun in the World Cup by this other guy - we should give that guy an 18"). Japan as a country barely even cares about soccer; Konami is absolutely going to be a gigantic jerk about their national pastime and, frankly, Japanese IP laws are pretty dumb.

This version of FM does include the J-League

SI and Sega were able ot negotiate a license.

But FM has never held a EPL license, but every team includes that league and team.
And the EPL can be very litigious.

Of course, the game does not use the real league name or logos.
But it does use team names and real players.

FHM uses leagues it has no license for.

That is what I meant by being overly cautious.

None of us will ever know what happened behind the scenes. But it was a blow to the game for sure.

[dannibalcorpse]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

This version of FM does include the J-League

SI and Sega were able ot negotiate a license.

But FM has never held a EPL license, but every team includes that league and team.
And the EPL can be very litigious.

Of course, the game does not use the real league name or logos.
But it does use team names and real players.

FHM uses leagues it has no license for.

That is what I meant by being overly cautious.

None of us will ever know what happened behind the scenes. But it was a blow to the game for sure.

from my (admittedly rudimentary) poking around, it looks like the Professional Footballers Association has a deal with Football Manger, but not the Premier League itself - kind of reminiscent of the old Sega game Sports Talk Baseball that had a deal with the MLBPA but not MLB itself, so you have Howard Johnson, but he only plays on the "New York team" and not the actual Mets.

Japan has its own version of the PBA, soI wonder if that's maybe an end-around that OOTP is working on.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by dannibalcorpse

from my (admittedly rudimentary) poking around, it looks like the Professional Footballers Association has a deal with Football Manger, but not the Premier League itself - kind of reminiscent of the old Sega game Sports Talk Baseball that had a deal with the MLBPA but not MLB itself, so you have Howard Johnson, but he only plays on the "New York team" and not the actual Mets.

Japan has its own version of the PBA, soI wonder if that's maybe an end-around that OOTP is working on.

I would be much more optimistic if it were a company (type of company) other than Com2Us. Com2Us is interested in PT, and that is going to be their priority. IMO OOTPD was sold to the WRONG company. I'm pretty sure the issue however, is that other companies didn't want OOTPD for the base game, and Markus & Co wanted to cash in their chips.

[Mike D]

Originally Posted by Rain King

I mean, this game has been way under-priced for years when comparing it to the market.

Plus, they are giving a huge pre-sale discount...so essentially nullifying that price increase for this year.

Comparing it to what Market? Besides FM, what other simulation sports games are $50? And FM has been available on Game Pass for 3 years straight.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Comparing it to what Market? Besides FM, what other simulation sports games are $50? And FM has been available on Game Pass for 3 years straight.

Action PC Baseball is $49. Baseball Mogul is $39.

OOTP is, of course, better than both.

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Action PC Baseball is $49. Baseball Mogul is $39.

OOTP is, of course, better than both.

If those are the comparables OOTP should be $129.99

[Haiku]

I don't care much about the price increase. It's one of only two games I buy each year. And the preorder discount makes up for it this year.

[uruguru]

Originally Posted by Hageneezz

No Japan, no buy...sorry

You're not sorry.

OOTP is legally prohibited from including the Japanese leagues in the game. There is absolutely zero they can do about it, but you knew that already.

I get that pretending to be outraged gives you endorphins but it's a bad look

[Haiku]

Originally Posted by uruguru

You're not sorry.
OOTP is legally prohibited from including the Japanese leagues in the game.

It is prohibited unless they secure a license deal. It is not entirely out of OOTPD's control if there's a possibility to negotiate one.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Haiku

It is prohibited unless they secure a license deal. It is not entirely out of OOTPD's control if there's a possibility to negotiate one.

It’s not just one license though…it’s many. I seriously doubt Com2Us is interested in securing a world full of licensees.

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

It’s not just one license though…it’s many. I seriously doubt Com2Us is interested in securing a world full of licensees.

Considering they’d be buying them to please six guys on an antiquated Internet forum I’m sure the ROI wouldn’t be all that high.

[snarls200]

As things stand for OOTP to get that league back in the game they would have to negotiate with both Konami and the league

[BusterKing]

Markus is doing his best I'm sure. Meanwhile I suggest you learn to live without it.

It is what it is.

[tm1681]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

SI and Sega were able ot negotiate a license.

Might I add, it took years of efforts to get that done. And that was with SI being a subsidiary of a notable Japanese company.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Fabtron7

Considering they’d be buying them to please six guys on an antiquated Internet forum I’m sure the ROI wouldn’t be all that high.

That’s simply not true..why do you act like an ass so frequently?

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

That’s simply not true..why do you act like an ass so frequently?

Which part, the six guys or the antiquated forum? I admit… it might be 8 guys. But even if it’s 100 guys I doubt it’s worth the money to properly license those leagues.

[RMc]

I doubt it’s worth the money to properly license those leagues.

If you don't do it the right way, then what's the point in doing it at all?

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by dannibalcorpse

from my (admittedly rudimentary) poking around, it looks like the Professional Footballers Association has a deal with Football Manger, but not the Premier League itself - kind of reminiscent of the old Sega game Sports Talk Baseball that had a deal with the MLBPA but not MLB itself, so you have Howard Johnson, but he only plays on the "New York team" and not the actual Mets.

Japan has its own version of the PBA, soI wonder if that's maybe an end-around that OOTP is working on.

This is pretty much correct.
For a long time, FM could not include the Japanese national team for this reason (but you could easily get around it with mods)

There was also a time that they could not include the German and Netherlands national teams.

They eventually licensed the Dutch national team, but still have yet to make deals with the German and Japanese national teams.
Despite having their domestic leagues in the game, so go figure.

[snarls200]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

This is pretty much correct.
For a long time, FM could not include the Japanese national team for this reason (but you could easily get around it with mods)

There was also a time that they could not include the German and Netherlands national teams.

They eventually licensed the Dutch national team, but still have yet to make deals with the German and Japanese national teams.
Despite having their domestic leagues in the game, so go figure.

At least for Germany its because the Bundesliga while recognized and sanctioned by the DFB is a legally separate entity.