The 2023 NFL Season Thread

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Sitting during the national anthem is very much a public political act, regardless of whether or not he discusses the reasons for it.

Public act yes. Never disputed that. But it was not to become a political figure as you stated. That is a lie. He wasn't focused on that.

People for over century have sat for the anthem, refused to say the pledge of allegiance & refrained from political ceremonies throughout the world & you don't know their names. Cause they never sought attention for their decision. They made a private personal choice that others brought attention to.

[TheMaus2]

Originally Posted by thehef

Pretty much this:


He basically blacklisted himself by taking controversial & very public positions while not being good enough to be worth the media circus/sideshow that follows. And turning down his contract option that was for more $$$ than he was worth - controversial stands aside - was not smart. And then, despite his words to the contrary, he hasn't actually shown seriousness about returning to the NFL.

couldnt be more controversial than deshaun watson... but i guess violence towards women and sitting out 2 seasons is less controversial then anything negative about our nation's police officers. "wasn't taking a return seriously" but was reported to be taking workouts *which had multiple team scouts attending.* say what you will about ck being above replacement level or not, but i think he's done enough to deserve at least PS consideration. but i digress...

[Cobra Mgr]

Even on the rare occasion the Lions are actually good, they still can't win on Thanx.

[cephasjames]

Jared Gaffe () has not helped the Lions the last couple of games.

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Big game for Jonathan Biles

[Ragnar]

I never thought I'd say this, but Trevon Diggs isn't missed in Dallas. Not when his replacement is playing as good or better.

[Cobra Mgr]

I'm going to see if the Panthers GM position is listed on Indeed.com and apply. I know I could assemble better talent @ a more equitable price than the current GM has.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I'm going to see if the Panthers GM position is listed on Indeed.com and apply. I know I could assemble better talent @ a more equitable price than the current GM has.

I think people give too much credit to GMs as to assuming they know what they're doing. Like they're experts. Some are. Some clearly aren't.

Many people knew going into the 2023 draft class that the QBs were not great. A lot of others saw the 2024 draft class as being better.

Sometimes I think these GMs just fall for the hype.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I think people give too much credit to GMs as to assuming they know what they're doing. Like they're experts. Some are. Some clearly aren't.

Many people knew going into the 2023 draft class that the QBs were not great. A lot of others saw the 2024 draft class as being better.

Sometimes I think these GMs just fall for the hype.

The trade to get BY last spring was a move pushed by Tepper, not Fitterer. As you guys heard me say then, I was not in favor of the move, but understood it.

But I highly doubt the rest of that roster was assembled under Tepper's direction.

As I have told Panther fans whenever possible, Carolina's problems stem from Tepper's rookie mistakes his 1st year of ownership. He thought he could bully all of his problems w/his bank account like he normally does & that doesn't work in th NFL. Every decision since then has been a wildfire of failures stemming from his impatience & ego in 2020. He's been making bad mistakes to try to make up for his bad mistakes.

Right now, the priority needs to be finding someone to put together an offense around BY that halfway resembles an NFL roster. They need to know for certain by the end of 2024 if he can credibly man the position if they get enough pieces around him. If not, then they need to strip it down and this time work for 2030, not the next season.

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Trading up to the top before the draft in order to get a QB has never worked in the entire history of the league. No team has ever traded up to the top five ahead of the draft, selected a QB, and won a Super Bowl (or an NFL championship) with that QB.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by pilight

Trading up to the top before the draft in order to get a QB has never worked in the entire history of the league. No team has ever traded up to the top five ahead of the draft, selected a QB, and won a Super Bowl (or an NFL championship) with that QB.

I think that's just dumb luck. The Rams made it to a SB with Jared Goff.

Didn't the Eagles trade up to the #2 spot for Carson Wentz?

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

The trade to get BY last spring was a move pushed by Tepper, not Fitterer. As you guys heard me say then, I was not in favor of the move, but understood it.

But I highly doubt the rest of that roster was assembled under Tepper's direction.

As I have told Panther fans whenever possible, Carolina's problems stem from Tepper's rookie mistakes his 1st year of ownership. He thought he could bully all of his problems w/his bank account like he normally does & that doesn't work in th NFL. Every decision since then has been a wildfire of failures stemming from his impatience & ego in 2020. He's been making bad mistakes to try to make up for his bad mistakes.

Right now, the priority needs to be finding someone to put together an offense around BY that halfway resembles an NFL roster. They need to know for certain by the end of 2024 if he can credibly man the position if they get enough pieces around him. If not, then they need to strip it down and this time work for 2030, not the next season.

That's even worse. Is he one of these owners that makes most of the decisions, and has a GM for bookkeeping purposes and manage the cap?

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

That's even worse. Is he one of these owners that makes most of the decisions, and has a GM for bookkeeping purposes and manage the cap?

That is the rumor. There is the rumor that Reich didn't want BY. There is also the rumor Tepper's wife was the reason Reich was hired.

I'm not of the opinion though that an owner's "place" is to just sign checks like most fans & media think. If I pay $2.5B to purchase something, I have every right to do with it as I please. But it is to the detriment of his investment not to listen to the football people he has employed.

A lot of fans right now want to blame him for everything. And I personally don't like him either. He seems like a wealthy bully. But I can't imagine he would be so into dealing with the micromanaging the roster like some think he is. The head coach, 1st pick of the draft, yeah it probably is his way or the hwy. Signing Hayden Hurst & DJ Chark? I think that is more of GM Fitterer's doing.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

That is the rumor. There is the rumor that Reich didn't want BY. There is also the rumor Tepper's wife was the reason Reich was hired.

I'm not of the opinion though that an owner's "place" is to just sign checks like most fans & media think. If I pay $2.5B to purchase something, I have every right to do with it as I please. But it is to the detriment of his investment not to listen to the football people he has employed.

A lot of fans right now want to blame him for everything. And I personally don't like him either. He seems like a wealthy bully. But I can't imagine he would be so into dealing with the micromanaging the roster like some think he is. The head coach, 1st pick of the draft, yeah it probably is his way or the hwy. Signing Hayden Hurst & DJ Chark? I think that is more of GM Fitterer's doing.

Jerry Jones agrees with you. And despite his failure, he has still managed to balloon his investment. In the early 90s Jimmy Johnson had most football related control. Bill Parcells built one of the best post 90s teams with that 2007 team. Absent them, Jerry's moves have been awful. That's why he scaled that back. Now he builds through the draft. The Cowboys have to be one of the luckiest teams in the draft since 2016.

Sometimes these owners can be their own worst enemies when they get too involved. Truth be told, I never knew Bryce Young's height. I don't pay close attention to college. But given the choice, I'm not picking the short guy.

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Originally Posted by Ragnar

I think that's just dumb luck. The Rams made it to a SB with Jared Goff.

Didn't the Eagles trade up to the #2 spot for Carson Wentz?

And then won the SB with Nick Foles.

If it was luck you would think it would work once in a while, considering how often teams trade up for QBs.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Jerry Jones agrees with you. And despite his failure, he has still managed to balloon his investment. In the early 90s Jimmy Johnson had most football related control. Bill Parcells built one of the best post 90s teams with that 2007 team. Absent them, Jerry's moves have been awful. That's why he scaled that back. Now he builds through the draft. The Cowboys have to be one of the luckiest teams in the draft since 2016.

Sometimes these owners can be their own worst enemies when they get too involved. Truth be told, I never knew Bryce Young's height. I don't pay close attention to college. But given the choice, I'm not picking the short guy.

Jones has been a terrible owner. But the Cowboys & Dallas, Texas has a lot more earing potential, history & cache than the Carolinas & the Panthers, Panther fans aren't the same as Cowboy fans. Panther fans will stay home. Panther fans will find other things to do on Sunday. Panther fans don't center their entire fall & weekends around gameday.

As far as Young's height, that is one of the things that annoys me about the Monday QB'ing on his ability. The general consensus among all the experts was Bryce was the clear #1 except for his hgt. That if he was 6'1" there would have been no doubts. Now after 11 games it is his "obvious" failing. I haven't seen his height affect him at all. And considering all the hits his line his making him endure, the durability questions they had should have been answered.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by pilight

Trading up to the top before the draft in order to get a QB has never worked in the entire history of the league. No team has ever traded up to the top five ahead of the draft, selected a QB, and won a Super Bowl (or an NFL championship) with that QB.

1. Only 3% of teams win a Super Bowl in a given season nowadays (1/32 of course) so the strike rate doesn't exactly have to be high here.

2. This is only true on a technicality because the Giants traded directly for Eli Manning rather than for the pick that he was selected at.

[Cobra Mgr]

How many times has the 1st pick in the draft been traded anyway? I figure it has happened only a handful of times anyway.

EDIT: Looked it up. Only happened 13 times in the SB era. Just 4 times in the last 25.

Look when it happened in 1968..........

[Cobra Mgr]

What is Tepper saying@ the start?

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

How many times has the 1st pick in the draft been traded anyway? I figure it has happened only a handful of times anyway.

EDIT: Looked it up. Only happened 13 times in the SB era. Just 4 times in the last 25.

Look when it happened in 1968..........

Interesting. Out of all those trades I'd say Houston in 78 got good value for their picks. They may not have won a SB, but Earl Campbell turned out to be a pretty good RB