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Old 11-13-2023, 12:08 PM   #341
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I can only answer that question if we're talking rookies, college. I can still remember Plaxico Burress in his rookie season. Caught a long pass over the middle sliding to the ground. He immediately got up and spiked it.

I know you're talking about the opposite. But it's the same thing. Some rookies forget you're not down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNOvBSTqLoc
This is the play I'm referring to. How many rooks did the Jags have on the field for this one? There were up to 4 Jags just standing there around the ball w/slumped shoulders instead of finishing the play. But then the stupid Niners' sideline negated the TD because they are jumping onto the field. Again, I point out, these are professionals. GROW UP!

EDIT: One other thing to point out on this play. Trevor Lawrence should have been flagged for unnecessary roughness on this tackle. Thomas clearly made it into the end zone. But Trevor not only hit him late, but he hit him in the back of the legs when the player was not looking to defend himself. The Niners would have every right to protect their teammate as any Jaguar would have if the same happened to Trevor.
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Old 11-13-2023, 01:25 PM   #342
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Meanwhile, north of the border . . .

In the CFL East Division semi-final, Montreal (11-7) defeated Hamilton (8-10) by a score of 27-12, while in the West Division semi-final, B.C. (12-6) defeated Calgary (6-12) by a score of 41-30.

In the East Division final, Montreal upset Toronto (16-2) by a score of 38-17. In the West Division final, Winnipeg (14-4) defeated B.C.by a score of 24-13.

The 110th Grey Cup will thus feature the Montreal Alouettes going up against the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
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Old 11-13-2023, 05:49 PM   #343
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It's very nice seeing C.J. Stroud, a product of THE Ohio State University, getting some national media love.
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Old 11-14-2023, 12:28 AM   #344
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"Bills have a discipline problem."

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Bills are imploding. I don't get why Dorsey is the scapegoat. And I certainly don't get why they think Joe Brady is the answer.
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Old 11-14-2023, 03:58 PM   #346
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It's very nice seeing C.J. Stroud, a product of THE Ohio State University, getting some national media love.
It's pretty early in his career, but he sure seems to be the first QB from THE School With No Academic Standards to succeed in the NFL in some time. (Jury is still out on Fields...)
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Old 11-14-2023, 09:14 PM   #347
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Bills are imploding. I don't get why Dorsey is the scapegoat. And I certainly don't get why they think Joe Brady is the answer.
I don't know what their issue is. But all they needed to do is not have 12 guys on the field and they would have won the game against Denver. This wasn't even a case of a guy getting off the field late. They lined up 12 guys on that last second FG that was missed. That's not even counting all the fumbles and dropped passes. Yeah, fire the OC.
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I don't know what their issue is. But all they needed to do is not have 12 guys on the field and they would have won the game against Denver. This wasn't even a case of a guy getting off the field late. They lined up 12 guys on that last second FG that was missed. That's not even counting all the fumbles and dropped passes. Yeah, fire the OC.
To me, last night was more of an indictment against McDermott. His team's mistakes were due to lack of focus, preparedness & discipline. All of which whose tone is set by the HC.
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DeSean Watson out for the year after shoulder surgery.
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To me, last night was more of an indictment against McDermott. His team's mistakes were due to lack of focus, preparedness & discipline. All of which whose tone is set by the HC.
I think he's done after this year. I would have fired him after that stupidity against the Chiefs that cost them the playoff game a few years ago.

But you're right. It never should have gotten to the point where it's down to the wire at home against Denver. Not if you're a contender. And this wasn't some outlier game. They almost lost to the Giants. It's a repeating these this season for them.

On a side note. I know Belichick isn't going to retire until he beats Don Shula's win record. He can't do that in New England unless he wants to coach another 5 years. Maybe longer. He has a shot to make noise again if he either goes to the Chargers. He'd be dangerous there.
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Yeah, my wife just told me about this. I wasn't happy when they got him, so I can't say this bothers me. If nothing else it will allow Cleveland sports fans to get back to their favorite topics: talking about who they want as their next QB and who they want as their next coach.
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Bills are imploding. I don't get why Dorsey is the scapegoat. And I certainly don't get why they think Joe Brady is the answer.
Mind you I didn't watch a lot of Carolina when Joe Brady was the OC, but imo he was made the scapegoat of the terrible Matt Rhule regime when they fired him. When he piloted the LSU offense to that historic season he was one of the hottest OC names on the block so I personally don't dislike the move. Of course, that LSU offense had Burrow, Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson (who was never really used to his full potential by LSU), so maybe that was the real impetus for making Brady look so good at that time.
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I can guarantee you Bryce Young doesn't go in the first round if they redrafted. Probably not in the second round either. This is right now. Stroud, on an equally crap team is looking really good. No team would pick Bryce Young in the first round on a redraft.

This doesn't mean he can't improve, or do better with better weapons. But right now he looks like a borderline bust.
Stroud is doing miles better because he has multiple wrs to throw to and an OL that has had plenty of resources invested in it. Bryce's sole weapon is 33 y/o Thielen and the Panthers are basically regarded as a garbage organization because of how hands-on Tepper is. his wife is involved in team decisions lmao. reich was on the stand the other day talking about how he preferred stroud in the draft
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Mind you I didn't watch a lot of Carolina when Joe Brady was the OC, but imo he was made the scapegoat of the terrible Matt Rhule regime when they fired him. When he piloted the LSU offense to that historic season he was one of the hottest OC names on the block so I personally don't dislike the move. Of course, that LSU offense had Burrow, Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson (who was never really used to his full potential by LSU), so maybe that was the real impetus for making Brady look so good at that time.
These are valid observations. It would depend on who was in charge of practices cause lots of things came out about how the team prepared during the week. Like never practicing red zone offence or not spending time preparing for 2min. Brady could have been too young & given the job too early and should have spent time in the NFL before being handed an OC position.

Nevertheless, the Bills offense was ranked in the top 10 in a lot categories. I don't see how Dorsey is the one to go. Maybe the Panthers will rehire him.
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More than suspicious that no one said anything about a wrist issue pregame, he comes to the stadium w/it wrapped up, & then he hurts it so bad he can't even throw.
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This season seems so clear to me. You have two teams in the NFC, the Eagles and 49ers.

You have 3 teams in the AFC, the Chiefs, Ravens, and Dolphins. That's who we will see in the SB.

In the NFC the Cowboys have an outside shot. When I say outside, I mean way in left field. If they can get the first seed, they have a shot. Otherwise they're not beating a better team away.

In the AFC the outside shot are the Bills and Bengals if they can get it together. But I doubt it. Two of the 5 teams I've mentioned will be in the SB. I'm going to guess Eagles/Dolphins.
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This season seems so clear to me. You have two teams in the NFC, the Eagles and 49ers.

You have 3 teams in the AFC, the Chiefs, Ravens, and Dolphins. That's who we will see in the SB.

In the NFC the Cowboys have an outside shot. When I say outside, I mean way in left field. If they can get the first seed, they have a shot. Otherwise they're not beating a better team away.

In the AFC the outside shot are the Bills and Bengals if they can get it together. But I doubt it. Two of the 5 teams I've mentioned will be in the SB. I'm going to guess Eagles/Dolphins.
That's a pretty good summary. The only team I'd add - and I can't believe I'm typing this! - is that I'd put the Lions right there with the Cowboys as having an outside shot.

I'm a (long-suffering) Dolphins fan and I'm wondering just how good this team really is... They don't yet have a signature win. Their six wins have come against mostly bottom-feeders: New England 2x, Denver (early in the season when they were horrible, as opposed to the mediocre team that they are now), NY Giants, and Carolina. Closest thing to a sig win would be in week one, when they rallied to beat the Chargers on the road.

They've played quality teams three times and lost each game. They got pounded in Buffalo in Week 4, which was before the Bills started looking shaky; and they routinely lose in Buffalo, so it wasn't a shocker... The got beat in Philly but were competitive, and losing in Philadelphia is no shame, as the Eagles are undefeated this year at home and 11-3 since the beginning of last season... And they lost a neutral-site game to the Chiefs, holding Mahomes & Co. to 14 points in losing by a touchdown in a game where the margin was a fumble returned for a TD, and where the Fins had the ball in Chiefs territory on their final possession; so I'd call that a quality loss.

Still, there's no win against a really good team. We'll see if they are for real, though, as we get to the home stretch. They host the Raiders this week, then road games at Jets & Commies, then home vs Titans & Jets. If the 'fins are for real then we should see them going 5-0, 4-1 at worst. Then comes a Murderer's Row stretch of 3 games to close the season: home vs Cowboys, at Ravens, home vs Bills (who just might be fighting for a playoff spot)... I'm thinking that going at least 7-2 the rest of the way would be a good sign, whereas anything less means a loss or two to mediocre teams, and/or getting beat by all the good teams left on their schedule. The latter would portend a one-and-done in the playoffs... Time will tell...
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More than suspicious that no one said anything about a wrist issue pregame, he comes to the stadium w/it wrapped up, & then he hurts it so bad he can't even throw.
Cincinnati is under investigation by the NFL
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Cincinnati is under investigation by the NFL
Now he's out for the year.


I also find it "interesting" that Cleveland insisted Desean Watson's shoulder was game ready before he felt so, (remember how every critic said Watson's leadership had been compromised cause he chose to sit out?) and now it needs season ending surgery. This week hasn't been good advertising for Ohio's sports injury practices.

But hey, maybe the NFL does put the health of their players @ the forefront. Seems like I remember on this forum arguing whether they do last year after Tua gave out gang signs one Thursday night.
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