Darrell Evans a SS? Jay Johnstone a 2B? What's going on here?

[Brad K]

It's 1973 and Jay Johnstone has popped up with IF ratings. I played him at 2B in spring training to raise his rating there before checking and realizing he never played 2B or a related position anytime in the bigs.

Then I ran into Darrell Evans who has good ratings at 2B and SS despite only playing the corners.. EXCEPT in 82-83, a decade after the game date, he played 22 games as SS and was horrible.

I never turn on commissioner mode to look at the real ratings but this time I did. No scout error. The scout ratings are correct.

Game is real stats, 3 year recalc not weighted, 3 year fielding, dev on, full minors. OOTP 23.

[Brad K]

Here they are imported into the same game. I looked at Evans in the editor and I think his skill ratings are such he could play SS or 2B at this point in his career. If AI is now training players to play other positions that's cool. However there is no explanation for Johnstone.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Brad K

It's 1973 and Jay Johnstone has popped up with IF ratings. I played him at 2B in spring training to raise his rating there before checking and realizing he never played 2B or a related position anytime in the bigs.

Then I ran into Darrell Evans who has good ratings at 2B and SS despite only playing the corners.. EXCEPT in 82-83, a decade after the game date, he played 22 games as SS and was horrible.

I never turn on commissioner mode to look at the real ratings but this time I did. No scout error. The scout ratings are correct.

Game is real stats, 3 year recalc not weighted, 3 year fielding, dev on, full minors. OOTP 23.

There's your answer. This was a known bug for at least a few versions that was fixed for v24, I can't say for sure what the full scope of the issue was, but in the bug that I reported it was with 1-year recalc, fielding set to current year... I would always see Yastrzemski play lots of 3B & 2B despite not playing the middle IF since 1959, and Brian Downing would continue to catch for the duration of his career, despite giving up the tools of ignorance for good after 1981.

This doesn't help you for your game in OOTP 23, but at least you know

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Brad K

... However there is no explanation for Johnstone.

Johnston, btw, played 10 games at SS in 1963 minors... Evans played 14 games at SS in '67 minors, 7 games at 2B in the '68 minors, and 4 games at SS in the '69 minors.

It's that minor league experience that was, apparently, applied to the players' career fielding ratings in v23 & prior...

[Brad K]

I've looked around a bit and don't see any other gross errors. I'm OK with a career minor leaguer or a guy who got into 20 MLB games having multiple positions. The thing that bothers me about Johnstone is he can't play CF anymore.

This is my first time with full minors and I like it a lot. I especially like a career minor leaguer with good minor league stats making good in MLB. I figure they make up for the guys who were good MLBers but OOTP ends their careers after two years.

Thanks for the info.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I've looked around a bit and don't see any other gross errors... This is my first time with full minors and I like it a lot.

That's probably because - with the bug - it still takes a specific set of circumstances. Something like:

a) A player has to have had minor-league experience at an unexpected position. Gotta figure that a lot of guys don't have this in their minors career.

b) Multiple factors would have to exist for AI to determine that he's best-suited to play that unexpected position later in the majors. So someone like Steve Garvey, who had minors experience all over the infield, still ends up at 1B for the mid-to-late 70's Dodgers because Lopes-Russell-Cey are on the roster and LA has a need at 1B. But put Garvey on a team with a good first-sacker and no secondbaseman, and AI would probably put him at 2B... IOW, because of the bug there are probably a lot more guys than you realize who have the potential (the ratings) to play an unexpected position. But for the most part AI is seeing fit to use them at the positions where you'd expect to see those guys...

Yep, minors can be a lot of fun! Unfortunately, I seem to end up planning my games more than actually playing them...

[Brad K]

I suppose it helps AI a bit since it makes no effort to develop multi position players.

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I suppose it helps AI a bit since it makes no effort to develop multi position players.

Look how slow JJ is ....oooops i mean his rate of stealing....i mean is speed...i mean don't try to tag up or take extra base because he doesn't steal much even though in IRL life he had average speed.

It is too bad the game doesn't give you the opp to randomize the AI for teams. Same scenarios will almost always play ou

[Brad K]

I haven't noticed any problems with HR hitters turning into base stealers.

However Roger Freed is a middle level starting catcher.

Well, the errors are few, I already have what ifs coming true due to career minor leaguers making the majors, and overall I'm still pleased with the experience. I don't change OOTP versions mid sim. Where they start is where they stay.