Shohei not signing for much money? BUG

[Cactusguy21]

I am playing a new live start save, largely on default settings. Ohtani just signed with the Mets for 7y/183m with an opt out after year 4, and a net team option of 13m at the end. I understand that some unpredictability is good, but this is just in no way realistic. In this live start (from a couple weeks ago), he never got injured, actually had a really good end to the season too. His ratings look great. As a hitter alone, he's worth FAR more than that contract.

My thinking for what this bug is, is that the AI could be looking at him only as a pitcher (which that deal is fair for), or maybe it overvalues the opt-out. But either way, his listed demand on the offseason center was 10y, 600m, which is much more in line with expectations.


Also, not to beat a dead horse, but the trade frequency is still insane on default settings. Ever since the offseason started, been 8-12 trades per day. I only get a trade offer once every few days though.

[MathBandit]

Do you know which patch the save was started on? I believe one of the recent ones significantly increased Ohtani's Financial Ambition

[Cactusguy21]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

Do you know which patch the save was started on? I believe one of the recent ones significantly increased Ohtani's Financial Ambition

It was started right after the release of the newest patch.

[Daniel_09]

Originally Posted by Cactusguy21

I am playing a new live start save, largely on default settings. Ohtani just signed with the Mets for 7y/183m with an opt out after year 4, and a net team option of 13m at the end. I understand that some unpredictability is good, but this is just in no way realistic. In this live start (from a couple weeks ago), he never got injured, actually had a really good end to the season too. His ratings look great. As a hitter alone, he's worth FAR more than that contract.

My thinking for what this bug is, is that the AI could be looking at him only as a pitcher (which that deal is fair for), or maybe it overvalues the opt-out. But either way, his listed demand on the offseason center was 10y, 600m, which is much more in line with expectations.


Also, not to beat a dead horse, but the trade frequency is still insane on default settings. Ever since the offseason started, been 8-12 trades per day. I only get a trade offer once every few days though.

I understand your point but we are still talking about assumptions that have not passed IRL yet, I would never pay 10 years 600 million, and then have a 39 year old player earning 60 million a year, I think the best example of these contracts is how Pujols and Cabrera's contracts ended the last years (this year being the last year of the contract for approx 32 million and is a player of OPS+81 and -0.4 WAR).

For me Ohtani's estimate (before the injury) could be around 450 million for 10 or 11 years.

After the injury we will see in a few months.

[Daniel_09]

Originally Posted by Daniel_09

I understand your point but we are still talking about assumptions that have not passed IRL yet, I would never pay 10 years 600 million, and then have a 39 year old player earning 60 million a year, I think the best example of these contracts is how Pujols and Cabrera's contracts ended the last years (this year being the last year of the contract for approx 32 million and is a player of OPS+81 and -0.4 WAR).

For me Ohtani's estimate (before the injury) could be around 450 million for 10 or 11 years.

After the injury we will see in a few months.

If the OOTP AI had a -0.4 WAR player for 32 million we would be talking about a BUG, likewise with the waiver situation that occurred yesterday we would also be talking about a BUG.

You have to understand that once you advance a day in OOTP it is a fictional league, it also depends a lot on what are your settings for AI evaluation.

[OutS|der]

Still to see the listed demand on the offseason center was 10y, 600m yet he signs for 7y/183m deserves to be looked into.

That's not even in the same ballpark.

As for the Pujols and Cabrera's contracts you need to stop looking at it from the end of the contract as overpaid but the start as being a bargain, so because of that you end up overpaying in the end.

The contact isn't about what the 40yr old player is going to be paid but what they get now. Most time it's likely a great deal, until it's not.

So while 41yr old Ohtani isn't close to being worth 50m+ a year, 31yr old him is though, or least was before the injury.

[Cactusguy21]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Still to see the listed demand on the offseason center was 10y, 600m yet he signs for 7y/183m deserves to be looked into.

That's not even in the same ballpark.

As for the Pujols and Cabrera's contracts you need to stop looking at it from the end of the contract as overpaid but the start as being a bargain, so because of that you end up overpaying in the end.

The contact isn't about what the 40yr old player is going to be paid but what they get now. Most time it's likely a great deal, until it's not.

So while 41yr old Ohtani isn't close to being worth 50m+ a year, 31yr old him is though, or least was before the injury.

The important thing to remember is that even if you don't buy the Ohtani hype, if the MVP hits free agency and they are under 30, they aren't signing for under 300m. Trea Turner (!!!) signed for over 300m! Even if you aren't super keen on the 2-way thing, as a hitter he's at least worth 300m. Then he offers pitching.

[CBLCardinals]

Curious do you have revenue sharing on?

If so do large market teams have $$$ to spend?

I’d also check how much each team can spend in free agency.

I have revenue sharing off, and have seen Ohtani sign with Mets, Cardinals, Dodgers, Reds in past simulations.

I don’t recall exact amount but seemed to be at least 7-8 years for 40-45M per season??

Also of note…what do you have “Superstar” pay scale set at?
I bumped mine up to 32-36M.

You might try that as well to see if he gets a mega contract?