Fully Developed International Scouting Finds

SirSaab · 07-31-2023, 11:03 PM

So, in my current save, the NYY (of COURSE) have found.2 fully developed, 5-star hitting machines in 3 years. Not signed via the new IAFA process, but scouting discoveries. Anybody else see this in any saves? It’s kind of ridiculous. I’m talking FULLY developed, signed and straight to the lineup, at all-star caliber.

jpeters1734 · 07-31-2023, 11:12 PM

I’ve never seen this. Can you share your development and player creation settings?

SirSaab · 08-01-2023, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I’ve never seen this. Can you share your development and player creation settings?

Literally all default development and player creation settings in a Live Start save, with the exception of TCR=125 and prospects develop slightly faster (one tick up from default). All other development settings are untouched. I’ve never seen it before either. It’s nuts! Lol

progen · 08-01-2023, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SirSaab

So, in my current save, the NYY (of COURSE) have found.2 fully developed, 5-star hitting machines in 3 years. Not signed via the new IAFA process, but scouting discoveries. Anybody else see this in any saves? It’s kind of ridiculous. I’m talking FULLY developed, signed and straight to the lineup, at all-star caliber.

I wish I could have that happen. 95% or more of the int'l prospects my scout finds, I release. They could probably play for the Pirates (only said that because jpeters1734 responded, lol, my wife's actually a bucs fan, she grew up in Butler). And if I do hold onto one of those prospects, they may get to AA or in a few cases AAA.

jpeters1734 · 08-01-2023, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SirSaab

Literally all default development and player creation settings in a Live Start save, with the exception of TCR=125 and prospects develop slightly faster (one tick up from default). All other development settings are untouched. I’ve never seen it before either. It’s nuts! Lol

Weird. What do you mean by one tick up from default? This is unrelated to your issue but it seems you might be mixing up development speed and target age

DJ_Jak_32 · 08-01-2023, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SirSaab

So, in my current save, the NYY (of COURSE) have found.2 fully developed, 5-star hitting machines in 3 years. Not signed via the new IAFA process, but scouting discoveries. Anybody else see this in any saves? It’s kind of ridiculous. I’m talking FULLY developed, signed and straight to the lineup, at all-star caliber.

Are they scouting discoveries or are they created established free agents from an independent league or international league? What age are they? I have never seen fully developed discoveries, but have seen superstar free agents before.

GoPedro99 · 08-01-2023, 09:23 AM

Ive certainly seen it before, but not too often. and usually its more of a mid level type of guy, not elite. But i have seen it among multiple versions.

billyray1984 · 08-01-2023, 09:34 AM

I've seen it before (both on AI teams and on my team) : your scouting director will tell you he made an incredible find and bam you have a suitable player out of the box in your system.

SirSaab · 08-01-2023, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

Weird. What do you mean by one tick up from default? This is unrelated to your issue but it seems you might be mixing up development speed and target age

It’s possible that I made that error. I’ll post a couple screenshots later of each player, and my dev/creation settings. I also think it may have something to do with not disabling pre-draft development (which I have now done - my last draft had no fewer than 4 mlb-ready college juniors/seniors). Perhaps that affects finds as well, or created amateur free agents if this was one (which I don’t believe it was).

SirSaab · 08-01-2023, 01:26 PM

So here are my settings, as well as pictures of the two young studs in question (Pietropaolo has shown some regression since his initial discovery in 2023).

I do indeed have target age set to "younger." Is this the root issue? Should I be adjusting the ratio manually instead, using dev speed? I'm guessing thats also the source of the unusuall mlb-ready draft pool too, isn't it? Rather than having "Disable development for draft-eligible players" unchecked, as I previously had it....

Thanks for walking me through this! If this is indeed the issue, Ive been doing it "wrong" for several versions now, and only just noticed these crazy outcomes...

itsmb8 · 08-01-2023, 03:11 PM

First question is, why are there Americans in your international discoveries, that are already 26? Id start there.

SirSaab · 08-01-2023, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by itsmb8

First question is, why are there Americans in your international discoveries, that are already 26? Id start there.

Those settings weren’t touched at all, so great question, and I wondered the same thing. I don’t want to scream “bug,” but perhaps?

KRSW · 08-02-2023, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by itsmb8

First question is, why are there Americans in your international discoveries, that are already 26? Id start there.

I think he is from an independent league.

Rain King · 08-02-2023, 11:56 AM

Can you check the players' history. I think that will have a line that should clear up the "type" of discovery.

md40022 · 08-02-2023, 01:43 PM

I've seen some international discoveries with big time potential ratings, but I've absolutely never seen one be MLB ready upon discovery, let alone have superstar caliber ratings right from the jump.

SirSaab · 08-02-2023, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by md40022

I've seen some international discoveries with big time potential ratings, but I've absolutely never seen one be MLB ready upon discovery, let alone have superstar caliber ratings right from the jump.

Yeah. He won the triple crown his rookie year.

As to other questions, indeed, looking at these players’ respective histories, both were signed “out of an independent league.” Funny thing is, I keep an eye on these leagues, and never saw either one of them, so…

(I know this because I’ve purchased a few contracts myself lol)

kidd_05_u2 · 08-02-2023, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SirSaab

Yeah. He won the triple crown his rookie year.

As to other questions, indeed, looking at these players’ respective histories, both were signed “out of an independent league.” Funny thing is, I keep an eye on these leagues, and never saw either one of them, so…

(I know this because I’ve purchased a few contracts myself lol)

In your league settings, under Players, you have one setting that says "Generate free agents from Independent Leagues" set at 12 per year.

This is creating free agents for the MLB as if they were coming from the independent leagues. If you have the independent leagues active, you should probably disable that option.

Rain King · 08-02-2023, 06:00 PM

I'm curious what version of the game you are on (or were when these guys were discovered). I know Independent discoveries were over-powered at some point, but thought it was something that got adjusted/fixed.

SirSaab · 08-02-2023, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kidd_05_u2

In your league settings, under Players, you have one setting that says "Generate free agents from Independent Leagues" set at 12 per year.

This is creating free agents for the MLB as if they were coming from the independent leagues. If you have the independent leagues active, you should probably disable that option.

That is a great point. I do have independent leagues active. Thanks for the tip. One default setting I didn’t touch.

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Originally Posted by Rain King

I'm curious what version of the game you are on (or were when these guys were discovered). I know Independent discoveries were over-powered at some point, but thought it was something that got adjusted/fixed.

Most current version on Steam. I have updates enabled. Will update this reply with actual version when I’m in front of the game again

jpeters1734 · 08-02-2023, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SirSaab

So here are my settings, as well as pictures of the two young studs in question (Pietropaolo has shown some regression since his initial discovery in 2023).

I do indeed have target age set to "younger." Is this the root issue? Should I be adjusting the ratio manually instead, using dev speed? I'm guessing thats also the source of the unusuall mlb-ready draft pool too, isn't it? Rather than having "Disable development for draft-eligible players" unchecked, as I previously had it....

Thanks for walking me through this! If this is indeed the issue, Ive been doing it "wrong" for several versions now, and only just noticed these crazy outcomes...

just to clear up a misunderstanding of target development age, younger does not mean they develop faster at a younger age. It means that they STOP developing at a younger age.

For example on a normal setting, a player may stop developing at 24. on a younger target development age setting, they player may stop developing at 22. An older setting means he may stop developing at 26.

The same concept applies to aging target age. Normal means that a player may start aging at 30. younger means he may start aging around 28 and older means he may start aging around 32.

07-31-2023, 11:03 PM	#1
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08-01-2023, 01:26 PM	#10
SirSaab Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2020 Posts: 283	So here are my settings, as well as pictures of the two young studs in question (Pietropaolo has shown some regression since his initial discovery in 2023). I do indeed have target age set to "younger." Is this the root issue? Should I be adjusting the ratio manually instead, using dev speed? I'm guessing thats also the source of the unusuall mlb-ready draft pool too, isn't it? Rather than having "Disable development for draft-eligible players" unchecked, as I previously had it.... Thanks for walking me through this! If this is indeed the issue, Ive been doing it "wrong" for several versions now, and only just noticed these crazy outcomes... Attached Images __________________ “Lady, I’m not an athlete. I’m a professional baseball player.” - John Kruk

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08-01-2023, 09:23 AM	#7
GoPedro99 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 863	Ive certainly seen it before, but not too often. and usually its more of a mid level type of guy, not elite. But i have seen it among multiple versions.

08-01-2023, 09:34 AM	#8
billyray1984 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 218	I've seen it before (both on AI teams and on my team) : your scouting director will tell you he made an incredible find and bam you have a suitable player out of the box in your system.

08-02-2023, 11:56 AM	#14
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,323	Can you check the players' history. I think that will have a line that should clear up the "type" of discovery.

08-02-2023, 01:43 PM	#15
md40022 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 763 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I've seen some international discoveries with big time potential ratings, but I've absolutely never seen one be MLB ready upon discovery, let alone have superstar caliber ratings right from the jump.

08-02-2023, 06:00 PM	#18
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,323	I'm curious what version of the game you are on (or were when these guys were discovered). I know Independent discoveries were over-powered at some point, but thought it was something that got adjusted/fixed.