Harmony, harmony, harmony

Yankee Clipper · 05-20-2023, 09:00 AM

I was thinking of getting back into the game. My last version purchased was 6. It was a good game at the time but I knew better was yet to come so I sat a few versions out. Steam has the game at 50% off ($20) so I was thinking maybe now is the time to get back into it.

I’m almost positive I’ll give it another go. I’m 99% of the way there let me just watch a single video first. I was watching the video when I came across the ‘harmony’ thing. Right away, I hear, ‘player conflicts’ and ‘clicks’ and ‘personality blah blah blah’ so right away I think a few things:

1st. Was the fan base (you) really and truly asking for ‘harmony’ to be added to the game?
2nd. How is ‘harmony’ not just the ‘househusbands of the rink’ or some version of a drama show?
3rd. Can ‘harmony’ be turned off?
4th. Do all online leagues use ‘harmony’?
5th. Without owning the game, reading a single thread, or watching more than one video; why do I already hate ‘harmony’?

redtiger7 · 05-20-2023, 12:35 PM

Harmony is a bizare system that does weird things leaving you tearing out your hair trying to figure out how to deal with it... until you clue in to the fact that it has absolutly no effect on the game whatsoever.

Yankee Clipper · 05-20-2023, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by redtiger7

until you clue in to the fact that it has absolutly no effect on the game whatsoever.

Um, then if this is true, why?

Northernsky · 05-21-2023, 12:37 PM

How do you it has no impact on the game. I am pretty sure Morale has an impact and Harmony is tied into that I would think.

redtiger7 · 05-22-2023, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Northernsky

How do you it has no impact on the game. I am pretty sure Morale has an impact and Harmony is tied into that I would think.

Yes, I have no imperical evidence, just my own experiences.
Last season nearly everyone on the team was involved in some issue or another and the harmony was at disruptively hostile - 0%. Yet we finished the season 1st overall, had the highest point total in team history and won the cup. And this isn't the first time my team (or some AI teams) has had great sucess while being in total chaos in the lockerroom.

JeffR · 05-24-2023, 12:44 AM

It's not intended to make the team completely ineffective. That wouldn't have been realistic; plenty of successful NHL teams over the years have had serious internal divisions. But as Northernsky said, a bad harmony situation still hurts morale and thus has a negative effect on your team's performance, so it should be dealt with if possible.

Yankee Clipper · 05-27-2023, 08:12 AM

Thanks everyone for the responses
I won't be buying
I just like operating a team; wins, stats, trades,championships etc.
IMHO, the entire endeavor is a loser from the start. And knowing that they will chase this drama wasting both resources and time, well I just can't support that.

reverist · 05-27-2023, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yankee Clipper

Thanks everyone for the responses
I won't be buying
I just like operating a team; wins, stats, trades,championships etc.
IMHO, the entire endeavor is a loser from the start. And knowing that they will chase this drama wasting both resources and time, well I just can't support that.

This meme is somewhat appropriate for this. https://d13urrra316e2f.cloudfront.ne...e74616771.jpeg

lawrence97 · 05-28-2023, 05:14 AM

ha, yeah buts its good to know what makes people switch off, you can't please everyone, i personally like the idea, but feels a bit artificial, i prefer the cm/fm model where players would get unhappy and you have a choice of options to resolve things i/e talk to the player yourself, give a leave of absence, get the captain to speak to him etc etc rather then just 'intervene'. However its def not a reason to ignore the game imo.

05-20-2023, 09:00 AM	#1
Yankee Clipper Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 46	Harmony, harmony, harmony I was thinking of getting back into the game. My last version purchased was 6. It was a good game at the time but I knew better was yet to come so I sat a few versions out. Steam has the game at 50% off ($20) so I was thinking maybe now is the time to get back into it. I’m almost positive I’ll give it another go. I’m 99% of the way there let me just watch a single video first. I was watching the video when I came across the ‘harmony’ thing. Right away, I hear, ‘player conflicts’ and ‘clicks’ and ‘personality blah blah blah’ so right away I think a few things: 1st. Was the fan base (you) really and truly asking for ‘harmony’ to be added to the game? 2nd. How is ‘harmony’ not just the ‘househusbands of the rink’ or some version of a drama show? 3rd. Can ‘harmony’ be turned off? 4th. Do all online leagues use ‘harmony’? 5th. Without owning the game, reading a single thread, or watching more than one video; why do I already hate ‘harmony’? Last edited by Yankee Clipper; 05-20-2023 at 09:03 AM.

05-20-2023, 12:35 PM	#2
redtiger7 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,241	Harmony is a bizare system that does weird things leaving you tearing out your hair trying to figure out how to deal with it... until you clue in to the fact that it has absolutly no effect on the game whatsoever.

05-21-2023, 12:37 PM	#4
Northernsky Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 366	How do you it has no impact on the game. I am pretty sure Morale has an impact and Harmony is tied into that I would think.

05-24-2023, 12:44 AM	#6
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 17,427	It's not intended to make the team completely ineffective. That wouldn't have been realistic; plenty of successful NHL teams over the years have had serious internal divisions. But as Northernsky said, a bad harmony situation still hurts morale and thus has a negative effect on your team's performance, so it should be dealt with if possible.

05-27-2023, 08:12 AM	#7
Yankee Clipper Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 46	Thanks everyone for the responses I won't be buying I just like operating a team; wins, stats, trades,championships etc. IMHO, the entire endeavor is a loser from the start. And knowing that they will chase this drama wasting both resources and time, well I just can't support that.

05-28-2023, 05:14 AM	#9
lawrence97 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: England Posts: 251	ha, yeah buts its good to know what makes people switch off, you can't please everyone, i personally like the idea, but feels a bit artificial, i prefer the cm/fm model where players would get unhappy and you have a choice of options to resolve things i/e talk to the player yourself, give a leave of absence, get the captain to speak to him etc etc rather then just 'intervene'. However its def not a reason to ignore the game imo.