"I'm not happy with my playing time."

Mel_Ott · 11-24-2003, 03:21 PM

Odd thing happened with contract negotiations for my beloved Bison. I made a trade for a good SP who (it turns out) wasn't playing all that much for his former team. He was in the last year of his contract, and as I have a fair amount of cap room, I made the trade with the intent of resigning the player - otherwise, I made a really bad, dumb trade.

So, I go to negotiate with the guy through my commish, and the man refuses to negotiate because he's not getting enough playing time. He's been in my rotation since I acquired him, and I can only assume "he's" looking at his IP total for the year (which is low) and not at his IP with the Bison (which is normal for a starter over two months of play).

This blows, since I'm getting hosed on the trade I made (not the other owner's fault, at all, btw), and I'm not losing out because of anything I did w/r/t said player, but because of how his previous club was using him.

Has anyone else seen this happen, and is there any way to fix the problem?

Steve Kuffrey · 11-24-2003, 03:26 PM

This is hopefully something that can be looked at more closely in the future, the only thing I can think of is to see if one of the editors will allow for current season stats editing and inflate his numbers to see if that changes his mind. I don't even know if it is possible or would work but might help. Good luck.

theREDdoor28 · 11-24-2003, 06:51 PM

If I was your commish, I would allow you to work out a deal in the FA market, where only you can sign him. Probally the only thing you can do now.

Mel_Ott · 11-24-2003, 08:34 PM

Yeah, I was thinking about that, but at the same time, I think it kinda sucks to ask for special treatment. I mean, wack stuff happens all the time IRL, why should the game be different?

I'll be a lot more careful about the attitude of the guys I trade for from now on, though, that's fo' shizzle.

GR8Madmax · 11-24-2003, 08:39 PM

It actually happened to me when trying to re-sign a SP that I had. This player was actually on my team the whole year and missed close to half of the season due to injuries. When it came to re-signing this guy, he wouldn't sign due to lack of playing time. You could say that I wasn't exactly happy when I saw that.

Carlton · 11-24-2003, 10:29 PM

Im with red door on this

Can you talk to the Commish about it, if I was a rival GM and saw that he HAS been in your rotation I would say its fine by me

I know you want a technical fix, but wouldnt that suffice?

clarnzz · 11-24-2003, 10:33 PM

There is always hope that his continued playing time will mean he will negotiate before the season is over.

As a side note, I wonder if this also affects injured players.

Player: "No way I'm signing here, I'm unhappy with my playing time".

GM: " What do you expect? You have been on the disabled list since May."

Carlton · 11-24-2003, 10:38 PM

no Clarzz, that doesn't happen

I have injuries set on very high on my solo league and never had a problem signing an extension with a player after only 20 games played in August

Henry · 11-24-2003, 10:41 PM

Six of one, half dozen of the other. Although technically" it doesn't make sense, real people in real life don't make sense much of the time either. Code might be added eventually to look for all these possibilities - and I suppose that would make some happy... but I always do feel if we had code in ALL of these places that are questionable, we're back to the "predictability" Markus has tried so hard to avoid in this game.

I'm not really taking sides here, but I do think I would eventually become bored if the game results were always known before I started....

In this cas, as a GM, I would probably mumble "dumb ****" under my breath and go on....

clarnzz · 11-24-2003, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carlton
no Clarzz, that doesn't happen

I have injuries set on very high on my solo league and never had a problem signing an extension with a player after only 20 games played in August

Is good to know. Am still playing 5.12 so am not real familiar with alot of these new "additions". Hopefully I can get the courage up to patch again soon.

jaxmagicman · 11-25-2003, 08:06 AM

Thanks for bringing this up. I had no clue this could happen. I better listen to those emails of guys complaining about playing time.

eriqjaffe · 11-25-2003, 09:09 AM

Start him every day for 14 straight games and see how happy he is.

--Eriq.

Mel_Ott · 11-25-2003, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry
In this cas, as a GM, I would probably mumble "dumb ****" under my breath and go on....

That's probably what I'm going to do. I'd just never seen this before, and neither had the commish, so I was curious whether others had, and what their solution was.

I don't think it's a flaw in the game, exactly; but I think we'll all be more careful in the future about signing benchwarmers.

I'm still pissed about the stuff I gave up for two months of this clown, though. Caveat emptor, I suppose.

ssmarsh · 11-25-2003, 01:10 PM

I hate that response. I had a starting pitcher who was in the rotation the ENTIRE SEASON who told me he was unhappy with his playing time. My response (to nobody but the computer) was - well, if you didn't stink so bad this year, maybe your IP total would have been higner!!

Gastric ReFlux · 11-25-2003, 01:27 PM

Sad, strange, and funny.

11-24-2003, 03:21 PM	#1
Mel_Ott Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the deer and the antelope play Posts: 924	"I'm not happy with my playing time." Odd thing happened with contract negotiations for my beloved Bison. I made a trade for a good SP who (it turns out) wasn't playing all that much for his former team. He was in the last year of his contract, and as I have a fair amount of cap room, I made the trade with the intent of resigning the player - otherwise, I made a really bad, dumb trade. So, I go to negotiate with the guy through my commish, and the man refuses to negotiate because he's not getting enough playing time. He's been in my rotation since I acquired him, and I can only assume "he's" looking at his IP total for the year (which is low) and not at his IP with the Bison (which is normal for a starter over two months of play). This blows, since I'm getting hosed on the trade I made (not the other owner's fault, at all, btw), and I'm not losing out because of anything I did w/r/t said player, but because of how his previous club was using him. Has anyone else seen this happen, and is there any way to fix the problem? __________________ jgross's worst nightmare!!!!111 Owner, Sin City Swingers, OBTL

11-24-2003, 03:26 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	This is hopefully something that can be looked at more closely in the future, the only thing I can think of is to see if one of the editors will allow for current season stats editing and inflate his numbers to see if that changes his mind. I don't even know if it is possible or would work but might help. Good luck. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

11-24-2003, 06:51 PM	#3
theREDdoor28 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Paintsville, KY Posts: 238	If I was your commish, I would allow you to work out a deal in the FA market, where only you can sign him. Probally the only thing you can do now. __________________ <CENTER> Disrepute - DVD Collection - eBay - GWB2004</CENTER>

11-24-2003, 08:34 PM	#4
Mel_Ott Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the deer and the antelope play Posts: 924	Yeah, I was thinking about that, but at the same time, I think it kinda sucks to ask for special treatment. I mean, wack stuff happens all the time IRL, why should the game be different? I'll be a lot more careful about the attitude of the guys I trade for from now on, though, that's fo' shizzle. __________________ jgross's worst nightmare!!!!111 Owner, Sin City Swingers, OBTL

11-24-2003, 10:29 PM	#6
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	Im with red door on this Can you talk to the Commish about it, if I was a rival GM and saw that he HAS been in your rotation I would say its fine by me I know you want a technical fix, but wouldnt that suffice? __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

11-24-2003, 08:39 PM	#5
GR8Madmax Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 94	It actually happened to me when trying to re-sign a SP that I had. This player was actually on my team the whole year and missed close to half of the season due to injuries. When it came to re-signing this guy, he wouldn't sign due to lack of playing time. You could say that I wasn't exactly happy when I saw that.

11-24-2003, 10:33 PM	#7
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	There is always hope that his continued playing time will mean he will negotiate before the season is over. As a side note, I wonder if this also affects injured players. Player: "No way I'm signing here, I'm unhappy with my playing time". GM: " What do you expect? You have been on the disabled list since May."

11-24-2003, 10:38 PM	#8
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	no Clarzz, that doesn't happen I have injuries set on very high on my solo league and never had a problem signing an extension with a player after only 20 games played in August __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

11-24-2003, 10:41 PM	#9
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Six of one, half dozen of the other. Although technically" it doesn't make sense, real people in real life don't make sense much of the time either. Code might be added eventually to look for all these possibilities - and I suppose that would make some happy... but I always do feel if we had code in ALL of these places that are questionable, we're back to the "predictability" Markus has tried so hard to avoid in this game. I'm not really taking sides here, but I do think I would eventually become bored if the game results were always known before I started.... In this cas, as a GM, I would probably mumble "dumb ***" under my breath and go on.... Last edited by Henry; 11-25-2003 at 12:34 AM.*

11-25-2003, 08:06 AM	#11
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Thanks for bringing this up. I had no clue this could happen. I better listen to those emails of guys complaining about playing time. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

11-25-2003, 09:09 AM	#12
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,733	Start him every day for 14 straight games and see how happy he is. --Eriq. __________________

11-25-2003, 01:10 PM	#14
ssmarsh Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 178	I hate that response. I had a starting pitcher who was in the rotation the ENTIRE SEASON who told me he was unhappy with his playing time. My response (to nobody but the computer) was - well, if you didn't stink so bad this year, maybe your IP total would have been higner!!

11-25-2003, 01:27 PM	#15
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Sad, strange, and funny.