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LedgerSko · 04-02-2002, 12:59 PM

Sorry I put the R in, and where the hell did you come from, callin me names. I didnt call your a** out. You have been tearing on people all day. What's your deal man?

Subby · 04-02-2002, 01:18 PM

[quote]Originally posted by sko_dog:
Sorry I put the R in, and where the hell did you come from, callin me names. I didnt call your a** out. You have been tearing on people all day. What's your deal man?<hr></blockquote>

Sorry, I pulled the post. I felt bad for calling you a pigfvcking fanboy...

Who else did I tear on?

PS. I love your nickname. Its very street.

LedgerSko · 04-02-2002, 01:43 PM

no hard feelings for me. I was just sick of gettin torn apart for making my opinion known. Maybe I shouldnt have called him a pompous ass, and it might have to do with the fact that I was disappointed with The College Years.

I cant remember I think you tore on that phonics guy but he deserved it

Scott

dpwoodford · 04-03-2002, 06:00 AM

I personally wonder how they'll approach soccer... competing with CM seems to me like it'll be an incredibly difficult task.. and the only other soccer game that is anywhere near CM is SAAP (Sick as a Parrot)... I wonder if Markus and co have talked to him.. I know Mac visits these boards, so he may catch this

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Darryl

Ksyrup · 04-03-2002, 06:18 AM

One way to improve on CM would be to "Americanize" it. I have no interest in playing a European or World-style soccer sim. I don't understand or like the way their leagues are set up. I'd rather play a traditional American-style league, with a "normal" (at least for me) free agent/transfer and playoff system.

There is also an indoor soccer sim I ran across on the net somewhere, although I don't know if it is still being developed.

dpwoodford · 04-03-2002, 06:45 AM

I guess that would appeal to Americans... but it wouldn't appeal to most long-time soccer fans. The question is whether the US Soccer fan market is big enough to require a game itself..

That said, SAAP added a US-league mode... not sure how far Mac's going with regard to FA Movement etc... the US league is of limited interest to me..

Darryl

Ksyrup · 04-03-2002, 07:03 AM

I understand. I guess having both options would be preferable.

spleen1015 · 04-03-2002, 07:38 AM

Doesn't CM have the MLS in it?

Ksyrup · 04-03-2002, 07:52 AM

I don't know. But everything I've read suggests it's based on a European-style league. If it does have MLS, I haven't heard anyone mention it. Which means I'm probably the only person who really wants it!

LedgerSko · 04-03-2002, 09:01 AM

Hey I wonder if they will talk to the Eastside Hockey Manager guy. That is a very good sim that could be taken to the next level.

henry296 · 04-03-2002, 09:13 AM

CM does have MLS teams and does not use the promotion/relegation system of the European leagues. It does have some quirks that I think CM4 might address.

Todd

Psicosis · 04-03-2002, 10:54 AM

Personally, I think the promotion/relegation system and transfer system are pretty interesting, though they're definitely different than those of us accustomed to American leagues are used to.

Competing with CM would be an incredible challenge, because you could make a great game and still be overshadowed by it.

Carplos · 04-03-2002, 11:11 AM

MLS is in CM, unfortunately, the playoffs, besides division winners, is random, which has been in since 99/00, so it's utterly pointless to play in the MLS until they fix it.

rich · 04-04-2002, 01:33 PM

"one way to improve CM would be to americanize it"

No comment!

Rich
(London, England)

rich · 04-04-2002, 01:37 PM

sorry, it strikes me that my last post might come over the wrong way. No offence meant mate, just joking.

Championship Manager has been evolving over the last few years, I have no idea when it got shipped to America, but about 8-9 years ago it was a pretty simple game - similar in format but greatly simplified. Every new release has been a big improvement, until now when we've got to the point where it's an absolute monster of a game. I'm just not sure that it's worth anyone trying to compete with it to be honest. I prefer OOTP as a game because I prefer baseball, but nothing touches CM for depth.

Ksyrup · 04-04-2002, 05:13 PM

No offense taken. I've heard fantastic things about it, from non-soccer fans even, but I just don't like the transfer system and multi-level league system. Just not my cup of tea. Keep the game itself the same, just Americanize the league setup is all I'm saying. Then I'd be interested.

SoxWin · 04-04-2002, 05:48 PM

Just MHO but soccer, basketball and football are right up there with diving naked and bloody into a shark tank. MAKE A HOCKEY SIM MARKUS

Cheers

Rich

CBL-Commish · 04-05-2002, 03:55 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Ksyrup:
No offense taken. I've heard fantastic things about it, from non-soccer fans even, but I just don't like the transfer system and multi-level league system. Just not my cup of tea. Keep the game itself the same, just Americanize the league setup is all I'm saying. Then I'd be interested.<hr></blockquote>

I'd rather that American leagues adopt the promotion/relegation system. That would immediately solve all of the contraction/market size problems. If Montreal or Minnesota didn't support the team, they wouldn't have money to pay the best players, they'd finish last, and then they'd be in the AAA. Buffalo or Sacramento or Norfolk or somebody would take their place in the majors and give it a go. Teams would no longer be able to tank the season and bank all of the revenue sharing money because they'd be risking demotion - this would drive the Pohlads and the Lorias out of the game.

Of course the current minor league system of affiliations couldn't exist, but the minors would get a huge gain in popularity, since the best teams would be fighting for a spot in the majors.

allstar4 · 04-07-2002, 07:25 PM

Indeed.

"Americanizing" CM would ruin the realism.

Mike D · 04-07-2002, 07:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by CBL-Commish:


I'd rather that American leagues adopt the promotion/relegation system. That would immediately solve all of the contraction/market size problems. If Montreal or Minnesota didn't support the team, they wouldn't have money to pay the best players, they'd finish last, and then they'd be in the AAA. Buffalo or Sacramento or Norfolk or somebody would take their place in the majors and give it a go. Teams would no longer be able to tank the season and bank all of the revenue sharing money because they'd be risking demotion - this would drive the Pohlads and the Lorias out of the game.

Of course the current minor league system of affiliations couldn't exist, but the minors would get a huge gain in popularity, since the best teams would be fighting for a spot in the majors.<hr></blockquote>

But, since the only way those teams get the players is through the minor league systems of the Major League Teams, how would they still compete? If you "promoted" those teams to the majors, there players would have a major league contract, and unfortunately, their contracts still belong to their orgional teams... So, if you demoted Montreal and Minnesota, all players with Major League contracts would be released from those tems to be signed by, yep you guessed it, the other two teams that you bring up... Same teams, new owners, same results.

[ 04-08-2002: Message edited by: Mike D ]

04-02-2002, 01:18 PM	#22
Subby Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 375	[quote]Originally posted by sko_dog: <strong>Sorry I put the R in, and where the hell did you come from, callin me names. I didnt call your a** out. You have been tearing on people all day. What's your deal man?</strong><hr></blockquote> Sorry, I pulled the post. I felt bad for calling you a pigfvcking fanboy... Who else did I tear on? PS. I love your nickname. Its very street.

04-04-2002, 05:48 PM	#37
SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	Just MHO but soccer, basketball and football are right up there with diving naked and bloody into a shark tank. MAKE A HOCKEY SIM MARKUS Cheers Rich __________________ It's called partying. When you do a lot of it, you're bound to be places where the police show up. I smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. I also graduated Suma Cum Laude. ****ing sue me. - Luis Rivera

04-05-2002, 03:55 AM	#38
CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,999	[quote]Originally posted by Ksyrup: <strong>No offense taken. I've heard fantastic things about it, from non-soccer fans even, but I just don't like the transfer system and multi-level league system. Just not my cup of tea. Keep the game itself the same, just Americanize the league setup is all I'm saying. Then I'd be interested.</strong><hr></blockquote> I'd rather that American leagues adopt the promotion/relegation system. That would immediately solve all of the contraction/market size problems. If Montreal or Minnesota didn't support the team, they wouldn't have money to pay the best players, they'd finish last, and then they'd be in the AAA. Buffalo or Sacramento or Norfolk or somebody would take their place in the majors and give it a go. Teams would no longer be able to tank the season and bank all of the revenue sharing money because they'd be risking demotion - this would drive the Pohlads and the Lorias out of the game. Of course the current minor league system of affiliations couldn't exist, but the minors would get a huge gain in popularity, since the best teams would be fighting for a spot in the majors. __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com

04-07-2002, 07:33 PM	#40
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	[quote]Originally posted by CBL-Commish: <strong> I'd rather that American leagues adopt the promotion/relegation system. That would immediately solve all of the contraction/market size problems. If Montreal or Minnesota didn't support the team, they wouldn't have money to pay the best players, they'd finish last, and then they'd be in the AAA. Buffalo or Sacramento or Norfolk or somebody would take their place in the majors and give it a go. Teams would no longer be able to tank the season and bank all of the revenue sharing money because they'd be risking demotion - this would drive the Pohlads and the Lorias out of the game. Of course the current minor league system of affiliations couldn't exist, but the minors would get a huge gain in popularity, since the best teams would be fighting for a spot in the majors.</strong><hr></blockquote> But, since the only way those teams get the players is through the minor league systems of the Major League Teams, how would they still compete? If you "promoted" those teams to the majors, there players would have a major league contract, and unfortunately, their contracts still belong to their orgional teams... So, if you demoted Montreal and Minnesota, all players with Major League contracts would be released from those tems to be signed by, yep you guessed it, the other two teams that you bring up... Same teams, new owners, same results. [ 04-08-2002: Message edited by: Mike D ]</p> __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

04-02-2002, 12:59 PM	#21
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	Sorry I put the R in, and where the hell did you come from, callin me names. I didnt call your a** out. You have been tearing on people all day. What's your deal man?

04-02-2002, 01:43 PM	#23
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	no hard feelings for me. I was just sick of gettin torn apart for making my opinion known. Maybe I shouldnt have called him a pompous ass, and it might have to do with the fact that I was disappointed with The College Years. I cant remember I think you tore on that phonics guy but he deserved it Scott

04-03-2002, 06:00 AM	#24
dpwoodford Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 103	I personally wonder how they'll approach soccer... competing with CM seems to me like it'll be an incredibly difficult task.. and the only other soccer game that is anywhere near CM is SAAP (Sick as a Parrot)... I wonder if Markus and co have talked to him.. I know Mac visits these boards, so he may catch this ) Darryl

04-03-2002, 06:18 AM	#25
Ksyrup Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 413	One way to improve on CM would be to "Americanize" it. I have no interest in playing a European or World-style soccer sim. I don't understand or like the way their leagues are set up. I'd rather play a traditional American-style league, with a "normal" (at least for me) free agent/transfer and playoff system. There is also an indoor soccer sim I ran across on the net somewhere, although I don't know if it is still being developed.

04-03-2002, 06:45 AM	#26
dpwoodford Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 103	I guess that would appeal to Americans... but it wouldn't appeal to most long-time soccer fans. The question is whether the US Soccer fan market is big enough to require a game itself.. That said, SAAP added a US-league mode... not sure how far Mac's going with regard to FA Movement etc... the US league is of limited interest to me.. Darryl

04-03-2002, 07:03 AM	#27
Ksyrup Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 413	I understand. I guess having both options would be preferable.

04-03-2002, 07:38 AM	#28
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,000	Doesn't CM have the MLS in it?

04-03-2002, 07:52 AM	#29
Ksyrup Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 413	I don't know. But everything I've read suggests it's based on a European-style league. If it does have MLS, I haven't heard anyone mention it. Which means I'm probably the only person who really wants it!

04-03-2002, 09:01 AM	#30
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	Hey I wonder if they will talk to the Eastside Hockey Manager guy. That is a very good sim that could be taken to the next level.

04-03-2002, 09:13 AM	#31
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	CM does have MLS teams and does not use the promotion/relegation system of the European leagues. It does have some quirks that I think CM4 might address. Todd

04-03-2002, 10:54 AM	#32
Psicosis Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 228	Personally, I think the promotion/relegation system and transfer system are pretty interesting, though they're definitely different than those of us accustomed to American leagues are used to. Competing with CM would be an incredible challenge, because you could make a great game and still be overshadowed by it.

04-03-2002, 11:11 AM	#33
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,847 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	MLS is in CM, unfortunately, the playoffs, besides division winners, is random, which has been in since 99/00, so it's utterly pointless to play in the MLS until they fix it.

04-04-2002, 01:33 PM	#34
rich Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5	"one way to improve CM would be to americanize it" No comment! Rich (London, England)

04-04-2002, 01:37 PM	#35
rich Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5	sorry, it strikes me that my last post might come over the wrong way. No offence meant mate, just joking. Championship Manager has been evolving over the last few years, I have no idea when it got shipped to America, but about 8-9 years ago it was a pretty simple game - similar in format but greatly simplified. Every new release has been a big improvement, until now when we've got to the point where it's an absolute monster of a game. I'm just not sure that it's worth anyone trying to compete with it to be honest. I prefer OOTP as a game because I prefer baseball, but nothing touches CM for depth.

04-04-2002, 05:13 PM	#36
Ksyrup Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 413	No offense taken. I've heard fantastic things about it, from non-soccer fans even, but I just don't like the transfer system and multi-level league system. Just not my cup of tea. Keep the game itself the same, just Americanize the league setup is all I'm saying. Then I'd be interested.

04-07-2002, 07:25 PM	#39
allstar4 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hilton Head, SC, USA Posts: 17	Indeed. "Americanizing" CM would ruin the realism.