Financial Issue 4 to 5 years in

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by theprofessional

you know the financials are out of whack when Ohtani is signing a free agent contract for 28 mil per year at OAK. just crazy.
I even set the 'superstar' quality typical salary value at $35 mil.

There could easily be a regression.

[wallewalls]

Originally Posted by theprofessional

you know the financials are out of whack when Ohtani is signing a free agent contract for 28 mil per year at OAK. just crazy.
I even set the 'superstar' quality typical salary value at $35 mil.

I know, I've noticed that too. In one of my games, after winning MVP in 2023, he signed with the Reds at something like $25 million a season.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by wallewalls

I know, I've noticed that too. In one of my games, after winning MVP in 2023, he signed with the Reds at something like $25 million a season.

I agree it’s not realistic…but there could be a couple of factors contributing to this. 1. What AI evaluation settings are you using? 2. Did his ratings decline in any way?

[wallewalls]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I agree it’s not realistic…but there could be a couple of factors contributing to this. 1. What AI evaluation settings are you using? 2. Did his ratings decline in any way?

I forget the ratio but it's the same that you suggested in the thread that popped up here around the time the game launched, and as far as I can see, he's still listed as an 80 overall player.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by wallewalls

I forget the ratio but it's the same that you suggested in the thread that popped up here around the time the game launched, and as far as I can see, he's still listed as an 80 overall player.

Ok…that doesn’t seem right…are the superstar contracts nyracts at default?

[wallewalls]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Ok…that doesn’t seem right…are the superstar contracts nyracts at default?

Yes.

[theprofessional]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

There could easily be a regression.

he's at 80/80 as both a pitcher and hitter with scouting turned to 100%.

i ran another simulation where I slightly increased his pitching ratings, & set superstar player typical salary at $38 mil. He got a 6 year $237 mil contract extension from the angels. its better, but he's easily gonna get something like 10 years $450-500+ mil whenever he does sign another contract.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by theprofessional

he's at 80/80 as both a pitcher and hitter with scouting turned to 100%.

i ran another simulation where I slightly increased his pitching ratings, & set superstar player typical salary at $38 mil. He got a 6 year $237 mil contract extension from the angels. its better, but he's easily gonna get something like 10 years $450-500+ mil whenever he does sign another contract.

OK...well those are all of the settings I am comfortable delving into...it could be a financial issue, and there have been some which are hopefully going to be fixed in the latest patch or the next one coming up. Maybe run another test once the game is patched to see if this is still happening.

[torpidbeaver]

Has there been any mention of tweaking how the game handles and/or creates two way players? I’m debating whether to jump on to 24 and am so far waiting to see if this upcoming patch fixes the financials, trades, and two way players.

I have a 13 hour flight coming up so I’m hoping against hope that it gets fixed so I can enjoy a new distraction.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by torpidbeaver

Has there been any mention of tweaking how the game handles and/or creates two way players? I’m debating whether to jump on to 24 and am so far waiting to see if this upcoming patch fixes the financials, trades, and two way players.

I have a 13 hour flight coming up so I’m hoping against hope that it gets fixed so I can enjoy a new distraction.

For now, I would just turn the function off. I haven't heard anything regarding this, so honestly I just don't know. The only reason for this function (at least IMO) is because of one player. I know some players in the low minors might be a reason for this also, but if you don't feel the game is handling it well, I'd just turn it off for now until you hear something more definitive.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by torpidbeaver

Has there been any mention of tweaking how the game handles and/or creates two way players? I’m debating whether to jump on to 24 and am so far waiting to see if this upcoming patch fixes the financials, trades, and two way players.

I have a 13 hour flight coming up so I’m hoping against hope that it gets fixed so I can enjoy a new distraction.

We pretty significantly reduced the amount of two-way players the game generates in the next patch (current private beta patch).

[torpidbeaver]

Thanks for responding. That sounds encouraging.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

We pretty significantly reduced the amount of two-way players the game generates in the next patch (current private beta patch).

The two-way players and the financial adjustments portion of the patch --- take effect on sims we are currently running, or requires a new start?

[theprofessional]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

We pretty significantly reduced the amount of two-way players the game generates in the next patch (current private beta patch).

Surely financials are getting a rework as well?
Another user suggested using $60 mil as the baselines for the national & local TV contracts. That's a start but they definitely need adjustment.

[torpidbeaver]

Previous page, Lukas first mentioned tweaks to financials in the private patch, then said the two way players were being tweaked as well.

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

The patch that's currently in private beta has some adjustments here.

It would be much appreciated if the folks who have been posting here who are beta testers could try this out and offer some feedback

[CBLCardinals]

Originally Posted by wallewalls

I know, I've noticed that too. In one of my games, after winning MVP in 2023, he signed with the Reds at something like $25 million a season.

If you look “under the hood” Ohtani’s “greed” and “playing for a winner” ratings are very low.

I’d suggest bumping those both WAY up to 180-200 to see if he still signs a smaller contract and with a non-contender like Oakland.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

I want to be careful typing this.

But how is this stuff not caught? I know the beta testers work hard. I used to be one in the early 2010s.


But with this release, it seems like some things need to be addressed with the beta testing program.
I know OOTP does not use professional QA people (and even those never ensure a game is bug free, but they at least know how to test a game to a breaking point before release)

It seems like so many things slipped through this release. Did no one play a long term save during Beta?

Sure, a lot of things can be fixed with tinkering.
But at some point, many users just want the game to work ‘out of the box’

At some point you want to be able to play the game more than you want to tinker to ensure your league can make it more than half a decade.

Some serious changes need to happen with the beta program, either bring in a few professional QA people or redo the program and ‘assign’ people to test various aspects of the game.

Fuzzy high DPI displays, crashes, off-season trading, financials being out of control after a few seasons.
All of this should have been caught before release.

I've beta tested the last 2 years. I can tell you a lot of things get discussed on the beta forums where we will ask if this and that is working "correctly" so that we can know if it's a bug and needs to be addressed as such and no one from Ootp dev ever answers

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by chanceliebau

It's been a problem since they were added to the game, but two-way contracts are absurd. I'm about ten years into my sim (miraculously) and there are 28 y/o, five-star batters who have rookie league-level pitching skills that are commanding just $5M, and this is in 2030ish. There are also too many two-way guys in general. Shohei is once-in-a-generation player, there shouldn't be 25+ players with two-way skills in every single draft.

This is false... most every year, there are 15+ 2way players in college and around the same number of HS players that legit have 2way ability. Major league organizations just don't choose to develop them after the draft as 2way players. So the problem isn't the number available in the draft, but that the AI is choosing to attempt to develop them as both

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

I've beta tested the last 2 years. I can tell you a lot of things get discussed on the beta forums where we will ask if this and that is working "correctly" so that we can know if it's a bug and needs to be addressed as such and no one from Ootp dev ever answers

Then the system needs to be redone or they need to invest some of their development budget into a professional QA team.

But I won't get my hopes up. They will continue to cry poverty and that they are a tiny studio when that is no longer true with the PT revenue stream.

I have pretty much lost faith in this series making any significant strides.
I just hang around here in the hopes that a future version might do that.
I still enjoy the series, I just get frustrated at the glacial pace of improvements.

Then even more frustrated that often times you cannot even really get a long term save going until June.
It seems like forum users and Reddit and Discord find most of the issues after launch and this happens pretty much every version.

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Then the system needs to be redone or they need to invest some of their development budget into a professional QA team.

But I won't get my hopes up. They will continue to cry poverty and that they are a tiny studio when that is no longer true with the PT revenue stream.

I have pretty much lost faith in this series making any significant strides.
I just hang around here in the hopes that a future version might do that.
I still enjoy the series, I just get frustrated at the glacial pace of improvements.

Then even more frustrated that often times you cannot even really get a long term save going until June.
It seems like forum users and Reddit and Discord find most of the issues after launch and this happens pretty much every version.

They do in fact need a revamp. With the exception of Lukas, there is little feedback on questions. If us testers know something is a bug... they do a better job with the bug tracker. But most questions themselves, seem to go unanswered