Historic pitchers Hold ratings seem off

markmcghee · 04-18-2023, 10:42 AM

I've created 3 different historical leagues in 3 different eras and see the same anomaly; all the pitchers' hold ratings are between 50-55, with a few exceptions reading in the 70's. Looks like the hold ratings got messed up somewhere.

Charlie Hough · 04-19-2023, 02:43 PM

I created a test historical league starting in 1950 with historical minors turned on. I am seeing the same thing. Nearly all pitchers on MLB rosters have a 6 or 7 on a 10-point rating scale for their hold ratings, and the exceptions are limited. There were some that had higher hold ratings, including one pitcher with a 10, and there were several that had ratings of around 2 or 3, but all of those cases were pitchers where it looks like the database merger may have screwed up their minor league stats, potentially causing OOTP to miscalculate or mishandle their hold ratings.

It seems to me that something drastically changed with hold ratings, perhaps by design. These ratings have always been randomized as far as I can tell, so they've never been a realistic representation of how well any of these pitchers actually held baserunners. But however they are being generated, if there is going to be this much uniformity, it will render the hold ratings largely meaningless. Also, it will likely impact stolen base attempts and success rates pretty significantly.

04-18-2023, 10:42 AM	#1
markmcghee Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft.Lauderdale Posts: 151	Historic pitchers Hold ratings seem off I've created 3 different historical leagues in 3 different eras and see the same anomaly; all the pitchers' hold ratings are between 50-55, with a few exceptions reading in the 70's. Looks like the hold ratings got messed up somewhere.

04-19-2023, 02:43 PM	#2
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,642	I created a test historical league starting in 1950 with historical minors turned on. I am seeing the same thing. Nearly all pitchers on MLB rosters have a 6 or 7 on a 10-point rating scale for their hold ratings, and the exceptions are limited. There were some that had higher hold ratings, including one pitcher with a 10, and there were several that had ratings of around 2 or 3, but all of those cases were pitchers where it looks like the database merger may have screwed up their minor league stats, potentially causing OOTP to miscalculate or mishandle their hold ratings. It seems to me that something drastically changed with hold ratings, perhaps by design. These ratings have always been randomized as far as I can tell, so they've never been a realistic representation of how well any of these pitchers actually held baserunners. But however they are being generated, if there is going to be this much uniformity, it will render the hold ratings largely meaningless. Also, it will likely impact stolen base attempts and success rates pretty significantly.