The incredible value of PT Plus (A PP Breakdown)

[PunishedF2P]

I've seen people going back and forth about this, but I haven't noticed a breakdown. It really is an incredible value. Funny enough, for the last two years I've been recommending a monthly model for PT. I was always blown away by the fact they didn't have one (every other sports collecting/card game basically does).

But this is even better than I expected.

For $7:

29 standard packs (29,000 PP)
5 silver packs (10,000 PP)
1 gold pack (3,000 PP)
1 historical pack (10,000 PP)
1 diamond pack (15,000 PP)

5,000+ PP per week from accomplishment bonus (20,000+ PP for month)

That's 87,000 PP worth if you login all 30 days.

PLUS you get the tourney slots, which should average an extra place every 8 tries - so 3-4 extra places in PD, and 5-10 extra places in traditional (? depends how frequently you're entering). That has to be at least 50,000 PP per month, possibly closer to 75-100K for a lot of players.

Conclusion: for $7 you're getting between approx. 125,000 PP and 175,000 PP in value. And then there's one more bonus, it says, no idea what that is.

The only downside I see: as an actual F2P player (nothing to do with money, it just takes away the fun/challenge for me), this puts me at a significant disadvantage compared to previous years in having an elite team, since way more players will pay the $7 for those massive rewards. Thankfully, I'm only playing casually this year!

So, yes, this review is from a player who will never pay for PT Plus - but I would like to commend OOTP developers on a great addition overall.

[rburgh]

Std Pack - about 600 PP x 29 = 17,400

Silver Pack - about 900 PP x 5 = 4,500
Gold Pack - about 2200 PP 2,200
Historical Pack - about 4000 PP 4,000
Diamond pack - about 6500 PP 6,500


Total 34,600 PP from the extra login packs.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by rburgh

Std Pack - about 600 PP x 29 = 17,400

Silver Pack - about 900 PP x 5 = 4,500
Gold Pack - about 2200 PP 2,200
Historical Pack - about 4000 PP 4,000
Diamond pack - about 6500 PP 6,500


Total 34,600 PP from the extra login packs.

That's totally inaccurate, lol. A player did the numbers last year, and particularly before the first update, all packs give back slightly more than their cost. Even after that, for a good while the packs have at least 80-90% return value.

And regardless, if you were going to buy PP and pull packs (or use your PP to pull packs), then the PP value is exactly correct.

And as the best F2P player in PT23, I used massive amounts of PP on packs (millions and millions).

[rburgh]

Those are my numbers. I must be an unlucky pack opener.


Even now, with some live silvers trading for well over 1000 PP, I don't think silver packs are a good deal because there are enough cheap live silvers to kill the 1000 PP increment. Gold packs are worse, because of the preponderance of live golds you get; very few of them ever trade regularly for 2000.


There are times when historicals and diamonds are worth the investment, but that's usually when new missions are released that require historical golds and diamonds.


Also, if you bought thousands and thousands of packs, how on earth did you recover anything more than 5 for irons and 25 for bronzes? It must have taken you many hours to churn them otherwise.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

And as the best F2P player in PT23, I used massive amounts of PP on packs (millions and millions).

"Watch out for people who are always bragging about who they are. A lion will never have to tell you he's a lion."

[bailey]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

And as the best F2P player in PT23, I used massive amounts of PP on packs (millions and millions).

Did you win the Perfect League and I missed it? Must've been a week Dish didn't broadcast.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by bailey

Did you win the Perfect League and I missed it? Must've been a week Dish didn't broadcast.

I'm in Perfect league for 6th time right now in PT23. I won 20 something Diamond division titles. 6 Diamond WS. I had the best team in OOTP period at around the midway point (every best player and pitcher at every position, including SE Babe Ruth 1.5 mil right when he came out and 800K LE Pujols right when he dropped). I completed 100% of all missions (incuding Topps Bunt and all Platinum series). I was Top 10 in weekly and dailies a dozen times, including second place finishes in both. I played in 16 PTCS tourneys. I opened something like 40,000 packs. And other than LE Rickey, I now I have a maxed out team for PT23.

Yes, I by far had the greatest F2P team in the game. No, I didn't win PL, that's just a bit of bad luck. Made the playoffs in PL twice. Could you point me to the F2P team that won Perfect League? I was under the impression none did.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

"Watch out for people who are always bragging about who they are. A lion will never have to tell you he's a lion."

"Read 'em and weap."

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by rburgh

Also, if you bought thousands and thousands of packs, how on earth did you recover anything more than 5 for irons and 25 for bronzes? It must have taken you many hours to churn them otherwise.

After the live updates, you don't recover nearly as much, true.

But because of the live updates, packs were like a 200% return for me. Something like that until the MLB season ended. Never sell irons or bronze cards until they turn silver or gold or diamond - or the live updates are over - or you are out of room for cards (then go through and quicksell the players that are injured/performing badly)

[bailey]

My nominee for PT23 Free Player of the Year.

[HRBaker]

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[BennytheKid]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

I'm in Perfect league for 6th time right now in PT23. I won 20 something Diamond division titles. 6 Diamond WS. I had the best team in OOTP period at around the midway point (every best player and pitcher at every position, including SE Babe Ruth 1.5 mil right when he came out and 800K LE Pujols right when he dropped). I completed 100% of all missions (incuding Topps Bunt and all Platinum series). I was Top 10 in weekly and dailies a dozen times, including second place finishes in both. I played in 16 PTCS tourneys. I opened something like 40,000 packs. And other than LE Rickey, I now I have a maxed out team for PT23.

Yes, I by far had the greatest F2P team in the game. No, I didn't win PL, that's just a bit of bad luck. Made the playoffs in PL twice. Could you point me to the F2P team that won Perfect League? I was under the impression none did.

There are F2P teams with multiple PeL Championships and PTCS wins like Florence Baycats and the 90's Expansions. There are a bunch of them that won titles this year.

What team were you?

[BennytheKid]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

"Read 'em and weap."

Why are you bragging about a negative record in perfect 3 times? If you had the best team isn't that just bad management?

[Mikecouil]

I agree. I was a week late or so in buying the game this year and didn't buy the subscription for another few days and I already don't regret it. I think it's a really fantastic subscription model and I'm always a fan of anything that isn't set to auto renew. I am very pleasantly surprised by the value of the monthly subscription.

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

I've seen people going back and forth about this, but I haven't noticed a breakdown. It really is an incredible value. Funny enough, for the last two years I've been recommending a monthly model for PT. I was always blown away by the fact they didn't have one (every other sports collecting/card game basically does).

But this is even better than I expected.

For $7:

29 standard packs (29,000 PP)
5 silver packs (10,000 PP)
1 gold pack (3,000 PP)
1 historical pack (10,000 PP)
1 diamond pack (15,000 PP)

5,000+ PP per week from accomplishment bonus (20,000+ PP for month)

That's 87,000 PP worth if you login all 30 days.

PLUS you get the tourney slots, which should average an extra place every 8 tries - so 3-4 extra places in PD, and 5-10 extra places in traditional (? depends how frequently you're entering). That has to be at least 50,000 PP per month, possibly closer to 75-100K for a lot of players.

Conclusion: for $7 you're getting between approx. 125,000 PP and 175,000 PP in value. And then there's one more bonus, it says, no idea what that is.

The only downside I see: as an actual F2P player (nothing to do with money, it just takes away the fun/challenge for me), this puts me at a significant disadvantage compared to previous years in having an elite team, since way more players will pay the $7 for those massive rewards. Thankfully, I'm only playing casually this year!

So, yes, this review is from a player who will never pay for PT Plus - but I would like to commend OOTP developers on a great addition overall.

[Mikecouil]

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[TwanLX2000]

Originally Posted by bailey

My nominee for PT23 Free Player of the Year.

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I'd agree that playing 2500 games in PL for *anyone* is an impressive feat, rather off F2P. I'm guessing the owner hasn't felt compelled to remind us.

I was ecstatic to make PeL with a F2P team early in the cycle last year, but I wasn't privy to any info or advantages that other F2P players weren't utilizing as well. Usually when we think we've done something novel, it just means we're the first to talk about it.

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by TwanLX2000

guessing the owner hasn't felt compelled to remind us.

My guess he was too busy.... crushing it.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

That quote flew right over your head, didn't it.

My problem isn't whether you won or didn't, or were the best or not. My problem is that you are so dependent on the accolades that you apparently feel you aren't getting, you have to broadcast to the world that your the "best".

What's ironic is that I'm likely more proud of my mediocre success in PT than you are of yours. Otherwise, you wouldn't need people "bowing to your greatness". You'll find, my friend, that bragging about your victories only isolates you from the masses from which you are trying to obtain their respect.

Oh no, to the contrary, I had a good laugh at your stupid quote Many of the greatest are like Muhammad Ali, and love to tell about how great they are. It's not even correct superficially.

I only mentioned it in the very first post (being one of the best F2P teams) to say that you can open lots of packs and still be a great F2P team (that was the context, that I open tons of packs and am still competitive)

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by bailey

My nominee for PT23 Free Player of the Year.

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I'm going to have to concur. In that case, I guess I'm Top 5.

How do you know this team is F2P, btw? That's the problem for me - I just assumed this team was P2P, lol (people probably assume that about my team when they see it, also).

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

I'm going to have to concur. In that case, I guess I'm Top 5.

How do you know this team is F2P, btw? That's the problem for me - I just assumed this team was P2P, lol (people probably assume that about my team when they see it, also).

You can tell by the BFF at the end. BFF is an all D2P group on the discord. They’re generally free to play wizards… and serious ballers.