AI DFA's player, but he is still on 40man

[WarningTrakPower]

Cincinnati activated a player from the IL and decided to DFA Jose Barrero



But he is still on their 40man roster for some reason

[WarningTrakPower]

Foley shows as on a Minor League contract though for some reason...

[Charlie Hough]

Your screenshot shows that Barrero hasn't cleared waivers. I don't think he will come off the 40-man roster until he clears waivers and is assigned. Even if he does clear waivers, this doesn't necessarily mean that the AI doesn't want him on its 40-man roster. Your screenshot shows that the AI team only had 39 men on its 40-man roster in the first place, so it had room to activate the injured player. The waiver of Barrero may be to clear up space on the 25-man roster, and due to his service years, he may need to clear waivers before he can be demoted to AAA.

[WarningTrakPower]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Your screenshot shows that Barrero hasn't cleared waivers. I don't think he will come off the 40-man roster until he clears waivers and is assigned.

That is not how DFA's work. Teams will DFA a player to open up a spot on the 40man roster.

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Your screenshot shows that the AI team only had 39 men on its 40-man roster in the first place, so it had room to activate the injured player. The waiver of Barrero may be to clear up space on the 25-man roster, and due to his service years, he may need to clear waivers before he can be demoted to AAA.

It only shows 39 players because I DFA'd a player to allow them to keep Barrero rather than lose him to waivers (he is too good for them to be putting him on waivers to get a reliever in A ball.

Here is another example, KC DFA'd Drew Waters (MLB career OPS of .756 and above average in RF).
They kept Edward Olivares however (MLB career OPS of .671 and an average OF). Only difference here, Olivares was arb elligible last offseason and they (for some reason) paid him $2.68m).

As you can see below, when I DFA'd Olivares for them, he is immediately removed from the 40man roster (while Waters was still on the 40man).



I am going to add Waters back to their active roster (and I bet they will DFA him again in the not so distant future, for some reason).

[WarningTrakPower]

Here is a look at him by the way. A player of this caliber (3.4 WAR last year) should not be on waivers (yes, I understand, IRL baseball teams make questionable roster decisions sometimes, I get it).



A DFA of a player like this to keep a totally replaceable veteran reliever who is in A ball is very much unrealistic.

[Charlie Hough]

Originally Posted by WarningTrakPower

That is not how DFA's work. Teams will DFA a player to open up a spot on the 40man roster.

Yes, I know how DFAs work, but this is OOTP, and I was forgetting that OOTP processes the 40-man roster removal as soon as the DFA begins in the game. It's certainly possible that this is a bug, but it's also possible that the AI may have decided to add the player back to the 40-man roster after waiving him and placing him on irrevocable waivers. Technically you can do that in OOTP, and maybe the AI decided to do that for some strange reason. Maybe it's trying to work around something unusual happening in the background.

There are weird things where a player could actually refuse to be removed from the 40-man roster, but that would only happen if you've disabled the right to refuse minor league assignments. OOTP is programmed with that possibility, but typically we never see that because the player will refuse an attempted minor league assignment before it ever gets to that point. But if you've disabled the right to refuse an assignment, the player could actually refuse to be removed from the 40-man roster in OOTP. I've seen it happen in tests, but I highly doubt that there's anything like that happening here because the player hasn't cleared wavers yet. The developers would need to sort out what's really going on here and whether it's a bug.

[WarningTrakPower]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Yes, I know how DFAs work, but this is OOTP, and I was forgetting that OOTP processes the 40-man roster removal as soon as the DFA begins in the game.

My apologies for coming off so strong in my response. When I read my comment again I realized how rude it sounded.

I believe this is a bug and I look forward to hearing what the Dev team thinks.

[WarningTrakPower]

KC Royals DFA'd Peyton Wilson
He was already optioned to AAA and has two more option years remaining



Here are some of the other players they have on the 40man roster



Pretty random move here, especially with him already being in AAA and not needing to move from active roster / out of options

[Rain King]

I'm curious what your Player Evaluation settings are.

[WarningTrakPower]

Everything is on the default setting for AI evaluation.
The only thing I have changed in this sim is lowering the AI trading frequency from normal to low (going to need to reset this to normal I believe).

[Charlie Hough]

Originally Posted by WarningTrakPower

Everything is on the default setting for AI evaluation. The only thing I have changed in this sim is lowering the AI trading frequency from normal to low (going to need to reset this to normal I believe).

No worries on the earlier remark. I garbled things in my post and forgot how the sequence works in OOTP, so that was a contributing factor.

I don't think there is any way that your AI evaluation settings or trade frequency are causing this. I have certainly seen the AI make many dumb moves with waivers, but I can't recall any instance where a player ended up back on the 40-man roster right after a DFA.

Incidentally, I have been using a low frequency for AI trades in a fictional historical Japanese league that I'm running, and I have yet to receive any trade offer from an AI team. There has only been one trade completed in the league so far, from January through mid-July. Granted, I set it to low because trades are much less frequent in Japanese baseball, but these results might be a bit too extreme. In a way, it's nice that it avoids the annoyance of responding to bad AI trade offers, but I might bump it back to normal.