Why were the international templates removed?

[Cactusguy21]

Such a terrible decision, this game is becoming a shell of its former self.


If you:

A) don't use real players
B) don't use real stats
C) don't use real names

Why on earth can you guys not provide the templates for the league creation modifiers, rules, etc for the leagues that were previously in the game? Why were in they in the game and then removed?


Honestly I would try to get a refund at this point if I thought I could. This is now the 2nd time that content was removed out from under us after we paid. The first time was understandable, because Japanese copyright law is weird. There is literally zero reason for it this time.


Deeply, deeply disappointed.

[Mike D]

It's a shame you can't like posts anymore. I won't ever pay full price again.

[tcblcommish]

Originally Posted by Cactusguy21

Such a terrible decision, this game is becoming a shell of its former self.





If you:



A) don't use real players

B) don't use real stats

C) don't use real names



Why on earth can you guys not provide the templates for the league creation modifiers, rules, etc for the leagues that were previously in the game? Why were in they in the game and then removed?





Honestly I would try to get a refund at this point if I thought I could. This is now the 2nd time that content was removed out from under us after we paid. The first time was understandable, because Japanese copyright law is weird. There is literally zero reason for it this time.





Deeply, deeply disappointed.

I dont think any content was removed "out from under us" in this version. Last year yes with whatever took place but this year I knew about what was available from the get go.

I'm not 100% sure but there is legal reasons behind why it is the way it is now.

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[Cactusguy21]

Originally Posted by tcblcommish

I dont think any content was removed "out from under us" in this version. Last year yes with whatever took place but this year I knew about what was available from the get go.

I'm not 100% sure but there is legal reasons behind why it is the way it is now.

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False, the templates were in the game until the last patch.

[silvam14]

Can't you just import the leagues that were removed (other than the league that shall not be named) via OOTP23?

[why_though126]

Originally Posted by Cactusguy21

Such a terrible decision, this game is becoming a shell of its former self.


If you:

A) don't use real players
B) don't use real stats
C) don't use real names

Why on earth can you guys not provide the templates for the league creation modifiers, rules, etc for the leagues that were previously in the game? Why were in they in the game and then removed?


Honestly I would try to get a refund at this point if I thought I could. This is now the 2nd time that content was removed out from under us after we paid. The first time was understandable, because Japanese copyright law is weird. There is literally zero reason for it this time.


Deeply, deeply disappointed.

It's only a terrible decision if you want to get sued.

[HRBaker]

I'll never understand how people cannot understand the law and the risk involved if you challenge it.

[Cactusguy21]

Originally Posted by why_though126

It's only a terrible decision if you want to get sued.

But there's no law here! Tell me what law prevents them from giving templates for a fictional league in a baseball playing country! I'm not asking for team or league names or logos or players, just the templates that WERE ALREADY IN THE GAME up until last patch that would in no way lead to a lawsuit.

Again, games like strat o matic use real players and stats and have for years with zero issue from the leagues.

[Cactusguy21]

Originally Posted by Mike D

It's a shame you can't like posts anymore. I won't ever pay full price again.

We just have to keep putting pressure on them and hope one day they address it.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by Cactusguy21

But there's no law here! Tell me what law prevents them from giving templates for a fictional league in a baseball playing country! I'm not asking for team or league names or logos or players, just the templates that WERE ALREADY IN THE GAME up until last patch that would in no way lead to a lawsuit.

Again, games like strat o matic use real players and stats and have for years with zero issue from the leagues.

It's not necessarily a "law". I'm fairly sure the COM2US lawyers raised a scenario where the league without a license "might" take issue with anything included in OOTP. All it would take is a groundless lawsuit and COM2US could spend a significant amount of money trying to defend itself. Much easier and safer to take the stuff out and rely on the mod community to provide templates.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by silvam14

Can't you just import the leagues that were removed (other than the league that shall not be named) via OOTP23?

Not as easy as it would seem...from what I can see...a lot of things changed under the hood, so the modifiers need to be changed. I was told to just do "auto-calc", but other are telling me yes you can start there, but it would need to be tested endlessly to refine them.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by HRBaker

It's not necessarily a "law". I'm fairly sure the COM2US lawyers raised a scenario where the league without a license "might" take issue with anything included in OOTP. All it would take is a groundless lawsuit and COM2US could spend a significant amount of money trying to defend itself. Much easier and safer to take the stuff out and rely on the mod community to provide templates.

There is no reason not to have the proper templates IMO. This is obviously a COm2US decision. Of course many are going to say ..."well then, you shouldn't have sold out to Com2US"...which in some ways is hard to argue with.

[PSUColonel]

I have been working on a new full-world set-up, but as I mentioned above and in other threads, I have hit pitfalls in regard to setting up the various International Leagues so that they behave differently, and according to the way baseball is played in those particular nations.

I am not into endless testing, and so therefore the quality of these leagues will never be what they should. This is what I tried to warn people about when all of this first happened. It's not just a matter of copy, paste, done when it comes to importing the templates from version 23.

[clamel]

This issue with scratch of several "foreign" leagues have really made a mess of this game.

I do hope they solve this crap. Now it feels like you playing a baseball game that is seriously limping.
Japan WON the Classic and all you now get is fictional players from a fake league.
After some 20 years this game looks to go down the toilet.
I know the urge for US to play within it's own world in most sports, but that time is over even for baseball. It's a World game now and playing anything beside historical setups is gone for me.


As I see it that any one working on getting these missing leagues back in the game on a fanbase World setup will be crushed everytime a new patch with "fixed" player ratings and skills (for the MLB players) comes up. And we will have many of those.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

I'm just going to chime in here because I also did so when the issue with Japan came up during OOTP23. I am a lawyer, and while intellectual property is not my area I do know a bit. When I learned that OOTP23 both included (many!) leagues for which it had no license and had in its marketing the selling point that you could play in all these different world leagues, I was a little shocked.

This isn't even my area and it would be incredibly easy for me to put together a theory of the case where damages would run well into the hundreds of thousands if not millions (depending on OOTP's sales figures), and they would have basically no defense available. This is still true, by the way - if I were in-house counsel for the corporate parent, I would be sweating bullets until the statute of limitations for a lawsuit over OOTP23 was reached. It seems like they may have gone too far the other way now by taking out even the fictional templates for the game. That's unfortunate (and possibly unnecessary), but I can understand the fear. After what was done with OOTP23, the lawyers are going to be telling everyone they need to be on their best behavior as they hope no lawsuits come in.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by clamel

This issue with scratch of several "foreign" leagues have really made a mess of this game.

I do hope they solve this crap. Now it feels like you playing a baseball game that is seriously limping.
Japan WON the Classic and all you now get is fictional players from a fake league.
After some 20 years this game looks to go down the toilet.
I know the urge for US to play within it's own world in most sports, but that time is over even for baseball. It's a World game now and playing anything beside historical setups is gone for me.


As I see it that any one working on getting these missing leagues back in the game on a fanbase World setup will be crushed everytime a new patch with "fixed" player ratings and skills (for the MLB players) comes up. And we will have many of those.

Already happened.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

I'm just going to chime in here because I also did so when the issue with Japan came up during OOTP23. I am a lawyer, and while intellectual property is not my area I do know a bit. When I learned that OOTP23 both included (many!) leagues for which it had no license and had in its marketing the selling point that you could play in all these different world leagues, I was a little shocked.

This isn't even my area and it would be incredibly easy for me to put together a theory of the case where damages would run well into the hundreds of thousands if not millions (depending on OOTP's sales figures), and they would have basically no defense available. This is still true, by the way - if I were in-house counsel for the corporate parent, I would be sweating bullets until the statute of limitations for a lawsuit over OOTP23 was reached. It seems like they may have gone too far the other way now by taking out even the fictional templates for the game. That's unfortunate (and possibly unnecessary), but I can understand the fear. After what was done with OOTP23, the lawyers are going to be telling everyone they need to be on their best behavior as they hope no lawsuits come in.

This may very well be true...but do you think people (customers) actually care? I don't. Some might...but for the most part...people are going to look for what they can get for their money...and in a business like this, you can't go backwards. That's unfortunately what is happening here...OOTP is going in reverse in some aspects. Customers also aren't going to just wait around for 2-3 years while this all gets sorted out. I am not even sure they will wait a year at this point. We live in an instant gratification society...so while I can sympathize with the developers to a point (Com2Us was probably a bad decision) it doesn't mean the majority of customers are just going to say all is forgiven, and we will wait as long as it takes until things are sorted out.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This may very well be true...but do you think people (customers) actually care? I don't. Some might...but for the most part...people are going to look for what they can get for their money...and in a business like this, you can't go backwards. That's unfortunately what is happening here...OOTP is going in reverse in some aspects. Customers also aren't going to just wait around for 2-3 years while this all gets sorted out. I am not even sure they will wait a year at this point. We live in an instant gratification society...so while I can sympathize with the developers to a point (Com2Us was probably a bad decision) it doesn't mean the majority of customers are just going to say all is forgiven, and we will wait as long as it takes until things are sorted out.

Honestly, I hope they all leave, you included. It's a tired conversation. You're damaging OOTP as well with the endless whining and complaining about this situation.

They had to do this. They wouldn't have done it otherwise. B-tching and moaing about it for the 472nd time isn't going to change anything.

Move on. Just freakin move on.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This may very well be true...but do you think people (customers) actually care? I don't. Some might...but for the most part...people are going to look for what they can get for their money...and in a business like this, you can't go backwards. That's unfortunately what is happening here...OOTP is going in reverse in some aspects. Customers also aren't going to just wait around for 2-3 years while this all gets sorted out. I am not even sure they will wait a year at this point. We live in an instant gratification society...so while I can sympathize with the developers to a point (Com2Us was probably a bad decision) it doesn't mean the majority of customers are just going to say all is forgiven, and we will wait as long as it takes until things are sorted out.

So, what your saying is you don't give a c__p about OOTP or COM2US, right? Apparently if they were to get sued and forced out of business, you would simply move on with something else? It's hard to even take the time to understand your posts then, or give you the benefit of the doubt - and I also think it's time to close this thread up.

[andyhdz]

Originally Posted by Cactusguy21

Such a terrible decision, this game is becoming a shell of its former self.


If you:

A) don't use real players
B) don't use real stats
C) don't use real names

Why on earth can you guys not provide the templates for the league creation modifiers, rules, etc for the leagues that were previously in the game? Why were in they in the game and then removed?


Honestly I would try to get a refund at this point if I thought I could. This is now the 2nd time that content was removed out from under us after we paid. The first time was understandable, because Japanese copyright law is weird. There is literally zero reason for it this time.


Deeply, deeply disappointed.

You know it's not their fault. It's the suits who are making them do this at an overabundance of lawsuit caution.