Geesh..... people burning money or what?

[ianthesquid]

the odds for a Diamond CARD are 1:150 (so in a standard pack, it should be 6:150)

Originally Posted by GBL

Magus978 wrote about whales:

When it comes to the money gap, you have three options...

- Counter with your own money
- Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful
- Accept your fate and know your place in the pyramid (maybe a bit harsh, but let's not kid ourselves, that's the reality of P2W gaming)


I would like to look at option 2 "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful". That sounds logical and heroic.

in my league there is a whale. this has 6 players with an overall 100 and 20 players with an overall of 90. so 6 perfekt players and 20 diamond players. but that's not so bad, on his reserver roster the player has 72 other players.
67 diamond, 4 gold and one silver player.

in total, the player has 87 diamond players and 6 perfect players. let's consider only the diamond players. one diamond player can be obtained with 1:150 per pack. so for the player to have 87 diamond players, he should have opened 87*150 = 13,050 packs.

one pack costs 1000 PP. this means that the player should have paid 13,050,000 PP. 2 million PP is available for $499, the rest can be calculated by yourself, but don't forget the 20% discount for PT+.

i first thought the player had cheated. not so much because of the cost, but because someone must have opened the 13,000 packs! let's say it takes 3 seconds to open a pack, then it takes 39,000 seconds alone - that's almost 11 hours. after that calculation, i knew the player hadn't cheated. he deserves my respect for spending 11 hours of his life pressing a button to open 13.000 packs.
at this point the hint. the whale got too few perfect players. the chance is 1:1000, so with almost 13.000 packs the player should have 13 perfect players and not only 6, please check if there is a bug in the software.


now we have a basis on which to make the statement to "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful".
A F2P player would therefore have to "somehow" earn 13,000 packs.
Let's assume a player manages to earn 50 free packs a day, then the F2P player would need 13,000/50 = 260 days until he has the packs together.

I don't know how you see it, but I think it's extremely unrealistic to earn 50 packs a day. its impossible to counter a whale with "hard work and be smart". what do u think?

Disclaimer:
at this point i would like to point out that i don't want to offend anyone. if someone wants to invest money in PT, that's ok with me. it's also ok with me if someone only plays F2P.
I just wanted to show that a F2P player has no chance against a whale in PT. The whale will play perfect league, the F2P player much further down. Money is the different between whale and F2P, not the skill.

Disclaimer 2:
When two whales play against each other, skill is the deciding factor, since both play with the same resources. Same with F2P players play against each other.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by ianthesquid

the odds for a Diamond CARD are 1:150 (so in a standard pack, it should be 6:150)

One of the cards is guaranteed bronze, so also guaranteed not-diamond, and 5:150 is correct.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by GBL

A F2P player would therefore have to "somehow" earn 13,000 packs.
Let's assume a player manages to earn 50 free packs a day, then the F2P player would need 13,000/50 = 260 days until he has the packs together.

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In PT23, I managed 210 packs a week or 30/day. The team I built has an L10 of ~7 million although I paid ~10 million for it because buying cards when they are shiny new is an expensive hobby. Oh, and I didn't start my team until OOTP Go was released which was the first week of August, nor did I buy 1 pack or spend real money, not even buying the game until I was worried I was going to kill my phone it would get so hot. So, they got me for $20 last year.

Although my favorite strategy of spamming quick iron tournaments was badly nerfed there are still ways to adapt and win, but I'm not sure I can master those skills. I am thinking here of live card speculation which is something I didn't do last year, but if done extremely well is worth millions of PP.

[2tango2]

Originally Posted by daves

Considering $500 is normally 875000 points rounding to a million, add another million, and 400000 points is an amazing deal.


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If I could do math I would be dangerous....the 10% extra with Plus makes it 2.2 million......I already had 200K in PP

***Revision #2 It is 2.4 million....******

Math is hard

[smales72]

Originally Posted by GBL

Magus978 wrote about whales:

A F2P player would therefore have to "somehow" earn 13,000 packs.
Let's assume a player manages to earn 50 free packs a day, then the F2P player would need 13,000/50 = 260 days until he has the packs together.

*not sure this merits a response but*

Why would someone want to open 13,000 packs?

[GBL]

Originally Posted by bailey

One of the cards is guaranteed bronze, so also guaranteed not-diamond, and 5:150 is correct.

I found a post from a developer:
Lukas Berger


https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=294075


The 5:150 per pack sounds valid for a diamond card.