Geesh..... people burning money or what?

SOOPAMAN · 03-25-2023, 09:18 AM

After 24 hours, the top 5 of my division have 50% 100 and 50% blues (90+)...

How can I compete with this? What nonsense is this?

SOOPAMAN · 03-25-2023, 09:22 AM

Sorry, not worth the time to place tryin to play PT and you see this kind of stuff. Not burning hundreds of dollars to get advantage...

This is so unbalanced due to the money gabbing machine model

unistalling

HRBaker · 03-25-2023, 10:05 AM

Patience Grasshopper...

Your always going to have a group that upgrades their team(s) right from the start. We're only in the Entry Pool, so Monday they will float to the surface. The rest of us will try and catch up over the season.

This is no different than in the past. Some guys (or girls) want to get to the top "today" while most take the "slow climb" approach.

"Nothing to see here."

smales72 · 03-25-2023, 10:18 AM

Portland Porkers don't care. We have a strict rule you must be over 200 lbs to be on the roster. We love to eat and will eat up your pitching because we like to hit dingers.

1B Adam Dunn at 288 lbs is our MVP right now. He may become team president some day.

bailey · 03-25-2023, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOOPAMAN

After 24 hours, the top 5 of my division have 50% 100 and 50% blues (90+)...

How can I compete with this? What nonsense is this?

It's only ~$42/month depreciated over 12 months.

Is says special offer, though, so I'm wondering if it going to disappear soon?
Or is it permanent?

daves · 03-25-2023, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bailey

It's only ~$42/month depreciated over 12 months.

Is says special offer, though, so I'm wondering if it going to disappear soon?
Or is it permanent?

Is that with Perfect+ only?

Is there a payment plan or do I need to pay at once?

Magus978 · 03-25-2023, 06:19 PM

When it comes to the money gap, you have three options...

- Counter with your own money
- Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful
- Accept your fate and know your place in the pyramid (maybe a bit harsh, but let's not kid ourselves, that's the reality of P2W gaming)

If you fall into the third category, try to liven things up. You have no pressure to win, so play it your way. I've decided to go with a silver players only theme for my main team. They will probably not make it past bronze, but my end goal is to be one of the top silver tournament players. Not an unrealistic plan in my eyes.

Tazilon · 03-25-2023, 08:53 PM

No - the rest of you will NEVER catch up. And the longer the seasons goes, the farther behind you will get. OOTP is the king of pay to win games and this year they have made it even more pay to play.

Meanwhile, they ignore continuing issues like fantasy salaries that skyrocket off the charts, coach ratings that are a joke, leagues running out of coaches, etc.

If it doesn't help them make more money, they don't fix it. They've been ignoring issues for years now.

They have taken a good game with potential to be great and relegated it to permanent mediocre status.

Tazilon · 03-25-2023, 08:56 PM

How naive can you be? You won't even end up in a silver league. you play only silver players and you will end up at the bottom of the bottom.

Greed on the devs part has totally ruined the game.

And meanwhile, they ignore continuing issues with offline fantasy leagues.

OOTP has made it clear they don't care about anyone's game experience except those who spend money on Perfect League.

That has lead me to decide they no longer get my money for their continued slaps in our faces.

Magus978 · 03-25-2023, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazilon

How naive can you be? You won't even end up in a silver league. you play only silver players and you will end up at the bottom of the bottom.

It's not naivety. I was more referring to wanting to be one of the best silver tournament players. I harbor no illusions about making any significant headway up the pyramid.

Then again, based on your post just before this anything I or anyone else may say will simply fall upon deaf ears to you, I'll just end by saying -

Challenge accepted.

FrankieT · 03-25-2023, 10:31 PM

Came over from SOM and started way late as a first time OOTP player in OOTP23--like November. Got to Diamond and to a winning record there a few seasons.
Really just took tuning up a bronze tournament team that I spammed, always playing perfect drafts, doing missions when they made sense, and being patient on card purchases/sales for the best value.

Really wasn't that hard and I never spent anything beyond the price of the software, and didn't start until November. The learning curve was a lot less steep than SOM.

The black-box game engine is a little difficult to pin down for how to value cards, but that is what the client game can be for--to sim test cases.

I mean if you think you should be competitive just by happenstance, then what fun is that anyway.

It seems to me you either have to:
F2P: invest time
P2P: invest $ (or both time and $)

Simple as that

SouthernStar71 · 03-26-2023, 07:52 AM

We are only in Entry Pool right now. After a few weeks the people who spend a lot of money will be several leagues ahead of those that don't spend much or any. Patience is all that is needed.

daves · 03-26-2023, 10:12 AM

It’s a marathon not a sprint. The cards now won’t be that great in a month or 2?

Feel free to feed the whales now.

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HRBaker · 03-26-2023, 10:36 AM

Quote:

No - the rest of you will NEVER catch up. And the longer the seasons goes, the farther behind you will get. OOTP is the king of pay to win games and this year they have made it even more pay to play.

Meanwhile, they ignore continuing issues like fantasy salaries that skyrocket off the charts, coach ratings that are a joke, leagues running out of coaches, etc.

If it doesn't help them make more money, they don't fix it. They've been ignoring issues for years now.

They have taken a good game with potential to be great and relegated it to permanent mediocre status.

Quote:

How naive can you be? You won't even end up in a silver league. you play only silver players and you will end up at the bottom of the bottom.

Greed on the devs part has totally ruined the game.

And meanwhile, they ignore continuing issues with offline fantasy leagues.

OOTP has made it clear they don't care about anyone's game experience except those who spend money on Perfect League.

That has lead me to decide they no longer get my money for their continued slaps in our faces.

Geez, we have another one. Why can't people simply say they're not going to buy the game WITHOUT the open insults? It's not that hard. People taking issue with the changes in PT this year are obviously in the minority, and as such, should conclude things are unlikely to change. Simple equation; Don't buy the game. You don't have to turn the forums into a battlefield because you can't get what you want. Send OOTP a million dollars and you might get an audience.

smales72 · 03-26-2023, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HRBaker

Geez, we have another one. Why can't people simply say they're not going to buy the game WITHOUT the open insults? It's not that hard. People taking issue with the changes in PT this year are obviously in the minority, and as such, should conclude things are unlikely to change. Simple equation; Don't buy the game. You don't have to turn the forums into a battlefield because you can't get what you want. Send OOTP a million dollars and you might get an audience.

that guy is playing. don't let him fool you. just a big baby.

Will_L · 03-26-2023, 01:28 PM

I don't buy PP's and not doing PT+, have one team (Dungheap Botflies) and don't have enough time to grind tournaments or the card shop. I have some fun with PT and my team will find it's level and I'm fine with that. Had some nice pulls to start things off like the 100 Carlos Correa. Could use a better CF but that'll come in time. The base game is my main focus and always has been. ,

2tango2 · 03-26-2023, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by daves

Is that with Perfect+ only?

Is there a payment plan or do I need to pay at once?

No- you don't need PT Plus to buy the 2,000,000 PP. If you do have PT Plus you get a 20% bonus so you end up with 2.4 million PP. Not sure how long it is going to run though.

If you break it down it really is a good deal if you plan on spending any money on the game.

daves · 03-27-2023, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 2tango2

No- you don't need PT Plus to buy the 2,000,000 PP. If you do have PT Plus you get a 20% bonus so you end up with 2.4 million PP. Not sure how long it is going to run though.

If you break it down it really is a good deal if you plan on spending any money on the game.

Considering $500 is normally 875000 points rounding to a million, add another million, and 400000 points is an amazing deal.

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GBL · 03-27-2023, 11:59 AM

Magus978 wrote about whales:

When it comes to the money gap, you have three options...

- Counter with your own money
- Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful
- Accept your fate and know your place in the pyramid (maybe a bit harsh, but let's not kid ourselves, that's the reality of P2W gaming)

I would like to look at option 2 "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful". That sounds logical and heroic.

in my league there is a whale. this has 6 players with an overall 100 and 20 players with an overall of 90. so 6 perfekt players and 20 diamond players. but that's not so bad, on his reserver roster the player has 72 other players.
67 diamond, 4 gold and one silver player.

Update: This is wrong.1:150 mean 1:150 per card, not per pack. In this case the player need much lesser packs.
https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=294075
Developer Lukas Berger

wrong: in total, the player has 87 diamond players and 6 perfect players. let's consider only the diamond players. one diamond player can be obtained with 1:150 per pack. so for the player to have 87 diamond players, he should have opened 87*150 = 13,050 packs.
in total, the player has 87 diamond players and 6 perfect players. let's consider only the diamond players. one diamond player can be obtained with 5:150 = 1:30 per pack. so for the player to have 87 diamond players, he should have opened 87*30 = 2610 packs.

one pack costs 1000 PP. this means that the player should have paid 13,050,000 PP (2.610.000 PP with 1:30). 2 million PP is available for $499, the rest can be calculated by yourself, but don't forget the 20% discount for PT+.

i first thought the player had cheated. not so much because of the cost, but because someone must have opened the 13,000 packs! let's say it takes 3 seconds to open a pack, then it takes 39,000 seconds alone - that's almost 11 hours. after that calculation, i knew the player hadn't cheated. he deserves my respect for spending 11 hours of his life pressing a button to open 13.000 packs.

with the 1:30 chance, the player opened 2610 packs in 2 hours (sounds much better :-) ).

at this point the hint. the whale got too few perfect players. the chance is 1:1000, so with almost 13.000 packs the player should have 13 perfect players and not only 6, please check if there is a bug in the software. i think, this is ok. with 5:1000 the player is missing some perfect players ;-)

now we have a basis on which to make the statement to "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful".
A F2P player would therefore have to "somehow" earn 13,000 packs.
Let's assume a player manages to earn 50 free packs a day, then the F2P player would need 13,000/50 = 260 days until he has the packs together.

Thats correct, but the the F2P need only 2620 packs and not 13:000. And with 50 packs a day 2620/50 = 52 days sounds realistic and doable.

Disclaimer:
at this point i would like to point out that i don't want to offend anyone. if someone wants to invest money in PT, that's ok with me. it's also ok with me if someone only plays F2P.
I just wanted to show that a F2P player has no chance against a whale in PT. The whale will play perfect league, the F2P player much further down. Money is the different between whale and F2P, not the skill.

Disclaimer 2:
When two whales play against each other, skill is the deciding factor, since both play with the same resources. Same with F2P players play against each other.

HRBaker · 03-27-2023, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBL

Magus978 wrote about whales:

When it comes to the money gap, you have three options...

- Counter with your own money
- Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful
- Accept your fate and know your place in the pyramid (maybe a bit harsh, but let's not kid ourselves, that's the reality of P2W gaming)

I would like to look at option 2 "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful". That sounds logical and heroic.

in my league there is a whale. this has 6 players with an overall 100 and 20 players with an overall of 90. so 6 perfekt players and 20 diamond players. but that's not so bad, on his reserver roster the player has 72 other players.
67 diamond, 4 gold and one silver player.

in total, the player has 87 diamond players and 6 perfect players. let's consider only the diamond players. one diamond player can be obtained with 1:150 per pack. so for the player to have 87 diamond players, he should have opened 87*150 = 13,050 packs.

one pack costs 1000 PP. this means that the player should have paid 13,050,000 PP. 2 million PP is available for $499, the rest can be calculated by yourself, but don't forget the 20% discount for PT+.

i first thought the player had cheated. not so much because of the cost, but because someone must have opened the 13,000 packs! let's say it takes 3 seconds to open a pack, then it takes 39,000 seconds alone - that's almost 11 hours. after that calculation, i knew the player hadn't cheated. he deserves my respect for spending 11 hours of his life pressing a button to open 13.000 packs.
at this point the hint. the whale got too few perfect players. the chance is 1:1000, so with almost 13.000 packs the player should have 13 perfect players and not only 6, please check if there is a bug in the software.

now we have a basis on which to make the statement to "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful".
A F2P player would therefore have to "somehow" earn 13,000 packs.
Let's assume a player manages to earn 50 free packs a day, then the F2P player would need 13,000/50 = 260 days until he has the packs together.

I don't know how you see it, but I think it's extremely unrealistic to earn 50 packs a day. its impossible to counter a whale with "hard work and be smart". what do u think?

Disclaimer:
at this point i would like to point out that i don't want to offend anyone. if someone wants to invest money in PT, that's ok with me. it's also ok with me if someone only plays F2P.
I just wanted to show that a F2P player has no chance against a whale in PT. The whale will play perfect league, the F2P player much further down. Money is the different between whale and F2P, not the skill.

Disclaimer 2:
When two whales play against each other, skill is the deciding factor, since both play with the same resources. Same with F2P players play against each other.

There are multiple ways to earn PP or to earn packs. Each does take time and effort, and would have to agree that competing with "Whales" (those who will end up at the Perfect of Diamond Levels consistently) is a steep hill to climb.

On the other hand, why is Perfect Level one's goal when they won't (or can't) spend significant money and/or time?

It's critical that folks (like me) who simply don't want to spend my life looking at an OOTP screen, change our viewpoint on how to enjoy this game. I'm happy fighting to get my team as high as possible and keeping it there for as long as possible. I will admit, a couple years ago I was one of the ones that complained that I "couldn't compete" with the whales without spending a lot of money, but now I realized rising to Perfect Level and being equal to folks who want to get there NOW and win shouldn't detract from my enjoyment.

Earlier today I posted my current goal was to stay in Silver as long as possible - MAYBE get to Gold if I'm lucky. That works for me.

03-25-2023, 09:18 AM	#1
SOOPAMAN Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 19	Geesh..... people burning money or what? After 24 hours, the top 5 of my division have 50% 100 and 50% blues (90+)... How can I compete with this? What nonsense is this?

03-25-2023, 09:22 AM	#2
SOOPAMAN Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 19	Sorry, not worth the time to place tryin to play PT and you see this kind of stuff. Not burning hundreds of dollars to get advantage... This is so unbalanced due to the money gabbing machine model unistalling Last edited by SOOPAMAN; 03-25-2023 at 09:29 AM.

03-25-2023, 10:18 AM	#4
smales72 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 107	Portland Porkers don't care. We have a strict rule you must be over 200 lbs to be on the roster. We love to eat and will eat up your pitching because we like to hit dingers. 1B Adam Dunn at 288 lbs is our MVP right now. He may become team president some day. Last edited by smales72; 03-25-2023 at 10:19 AM.

03-25-2023, 06:19 PM	#7
Magus978 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind you. BOO! Posts: 1,894	When it comes to the money gap, you have three options... - Counter with your own money - Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful - Accept your fate and know your place in the pyramid (maybe a bit harsh, but let's not kid ourselves, that's the reality of P2W gaming) If you fall into the third category, try to liven things up. You have no pressure to win, so play it your way. I've decided to go with a silver players only theme for my main team. They will probably not make it past bronze, but my end goal is to be one of the top silver tournament players. Not an unrealistic plan in my eyes. __________________ Never forgive, never forget. http://twitch.tv/GanbaMagus Last edited by Magus978; 03-25-2023 at 06:23 PM.

03-25-2023, 08:56 PM	#9
Tazilon Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Mesquite, TX Posts: 116	How naive can you be? You won't even end up in a silver league. you play only silver players and you will end up at the bottom of the bottom. Greed on the devs part has totally ruined the game. And meanwhile, they ignore continuing issues with offline fantasy leagues. OOTP has made it clear they don't care about anyone's game experience except those who spend money on Perfect League. That has lead me to decide they no longer get my money for their continued slaps in our faces. Last edited by Tazilon; 03-25-2023 at 08:58 PM.

03-25-2023, 10:05 AM	#3
HRBaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,361	Patience Grasshopper... Your always going to have a group that upgrades their team(s) right from the start. We're only in the Entry Pool, so Monday they will float to the surface. The rest of us will try and catch up over the season. This is no different than in the past. Some guys (or girls) want to get to the top "today" while most take the "slow climb" approach. "Nothing to see here."

03-25-2023, 08:53 PM	#8
Tazilon Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Mesquite, TX Posts: 116	No - the rest of you will NEVER catch up. And the longer the seasons goes, the farther behind you will get. OOTP is the king of pay to win games and this year they have made it even more pay to play. Meanwhile, they ignore continuing issues like fantasy salaries that skyrocket off the charts, coach ratings that are a joke, leagues running out of coaches, etc. If it doesn't help them make more money, they don't fix it. They've been ignoring issues for years now. They have taken a good game with potential to be great and relegated it to permanent mediocre status.

03-25-2023, 10:31 PM	#11
FrankieT Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2022 Posts: 2	Was F2P all last season as 1st year player Came over from SOM and started way late as a first time OOTP player in OOTP23--like November. Got to Diamond and to a winning record there a few seasons. Really just took tuning up a bronze tournament team that I spammed, always playing perfect drafts, doing missions when they made sense, and being patient on card purchases/sales for the best value. Really wasn't that hard and I never spent anything beyond the price of the software, and didn't start until November. The learning curve was a lot less steep than SOM. The black-box game engine is a little difficult to pin down for how to value cards, but that is what the client game can be for--to sim test cases. I mean if you think you should be competitive just by happenstance, then what fun is that anyway. It seems to me you either have to: F2P: invest time P2P: invest $ (or both time and $) Simple as that

03-26-2023, 07:52 AM	#12
SouthernStar71 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Kentucky, USA Posts: 84	We are only in Entry Pool right now. After a few weeks the people who spend a lot of money will be several leagues ahead of those that don't spend much or any. Patience is all that is needed. __________________

03-26-2023, 10:12 AM	#13
daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,824	It’s a marathon not a sprint. The cards now won’t be that great in a month or 2? Feel free to feed the whales now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________

03-26-2023, 01:28 PM	#16
Will_L All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Laurelton, NY Posts: 590	I don't buy PP's and not doing PT+, have one team (Dungheap Botflies) and don't have enough time to grind tournaments or the card shop. I have some fun with PT and my team will find it's level and I'm fine with that. Had some nice pulls to start things off like the 100 Carlos Correa. Could use a better CF but that'll come in time. The base game is my main focus and always has been. ,

03-27-2023, 11:59 AM	#19
GBL Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 19	Magus978 wrote about whales: When it comes to the money gap, you have three options... - Counter with your own money - Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful - Accept your fate and know your place in the pyramid (maybe a bit harsh, but let's not kid ourselves, that's the reality of P2W gaming) I would like to look at option 2 "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful". That sounds logical and heroic. in my league there is a whale. this has 6 players with an overall 100 and 20 players with an overall of 90. so 6 perfekt players and 20 diamond players. but that's not so bad, on his reserver roster the player has 72 other players. 67 diamond, 4 gold and one silver player. Update: This is wrong.1:150 mean 1:150 per card, not per pack. In this case the player need much lesser packs. https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=294075 Developer Lukas Berger wrong: in total, the player has 87 diamond players and 6 perfect players. let's consider only the diamond players. one diamond player can be obtained with 1:150 per pack. so for the player to have 87 diamond players, he should have opened 87150 = 13,050 packs. in total, the player has 87 diamond players and 6 perfect players. let's consider only the diamond players. one diamond player can be obtained with 5:150 = 1:30 per pack. so for the player to have 87 diamond players, he should have opened 8730 = 2610 packs. one pack costs 1000 PP. this means that the player should have paid 13,050,000 PP (2.610.000 PP with 1:30). 2 million PP is available for $499, the rest can be calculated by yourself, but don't forget the 20% discount for PT+. i first thought the player had cheated. not so much because of the cost, but because someone must have opened the 13,000 packs! let's say it takes 3 seconds to open a pack, then it takes 39,000 seconds alone - that's almost 11 hours. after that calculation, i knew the player hadn't cheated. he deserves my respect for spending 11 hours of his life pressing a button to open 13.000 packs. with the 1:30 chance, the player opened 2610 packs in 2 hours (sounds much better :-) ). at this point the hint. the whale got too few perfect players. the chance is 1:1000, so with almost 13.000 packs the player should have 13 perfect players and not only 6, please check if there is a bug in the software. i think, this is ok. with 5:1000 the player is missing some perfect players ;-) now we have a basis on which to make the statement to "Counter with spending lots of time figuring out the angles to make a F2P team successful". A F2P player would therefore have to "somehow" earn 13,000 packs. Let's assume a player manages to earn 50 free packs a day, then the F2P player would need 13,000/50 = 260 days until he has the packs together. Thats correct, but the the F2P need only 2620 packs and not 13:000. And with 50 packs a day 2620/50 = 52 days sounds realistic and doable. Disclaimer: at this point i would like to point out that i don't want to offend anyone. if someone wants to invest money in PT, that's ok with me. it's also ok with me if someone only plays F2P. I just wanted to show that a F2P player has no chance against a whale in PT. The whale will play perfect league, the F2P player much further down. Money is the different between whale and F2P, not the skill. Disclaimer 2: When two whales play against each other, skill is the deciding factor, since both play with the same resources. Same with F2P players play against each other. Last edited by GBL; 03-27-2023 at 05:01 PM.