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[Karl Pagel Blues]

Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

Chicago Cubs

First of all: Great job! Here's what I noticed looking through the Cubs squad.

Alexander Canario (OF) will be out a few months recovering from a fractured ankle and surgery for a dislocated shoulder.

Nazier Mule (P/2B) will miss the season after undergoing TJS.
https://www.mlb.com/news/cubs-prospe...y-john-surgery

Derniche Valdez (SS) ratings seem too low. The kid was ranked #6 among the IFAs signed this January.

Ludwing Espinoza (SS) ratings also seem low for the #14 ranked IFA.

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/international/

There's a handful of other players that look a bit low in the ratings, but that's probably just my inherent bias.

A few more for the Cubs...

Keegan Thompson (SP) velocity at 95-97 is too high. I'd say 92-94 would be more accurate.

Cam Sanders (RP) should be rated a little higher. Everything I've read is that he's got an excellent chance of pitching for the Cubs this year. He's looked great in spring training

Jordan Nwogu (OF) is listed as only playing LF and CF. But he also got in 11 games in RF last season.

Brayan Altuve (C) is no longer catching, he's purely an outfielder now.

Michael Arias (RP) is exclusively a pitcher.

Cristian Hernandez (SS) is the Cubs #10 prospect. His ratings look a little low to me, but it's nothing egregious.

[Mr_Pogo]

Alright, thanks for the response! I guess we have to wait until the first OOTP 24 update to download all these changes, correct?

[Mr_Pogo]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Fixed Erickson and Radison.

To put a player on military leave (or other leave) we generally just add this as an undefined injury. Not really optimal maybe, but the best way to do this with the tools we have currently.

Alright, thanks for the response! I guess we have to wait until the first OOTP 24 update to download all these changes, correct?

[Gussy]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Normal trade difficulty is definitely not what we'd recommend for a default value if you're looking for realism. It will let you make some trades that shouldn't be possible, for sure.

What setting would you recommend?

[Gussy]

More Cubs prospect thoughts

Porter Hodge is far too high, still may end up a reliever
Javier Assad's velocity is far too low. He was dialing upper 90's during the WBC which he dominated
Might have been a little overaggressive knocking down Caleb Killian's control. He was an elite strike thrower before he got to the majors last year and sounds like he's back to throwing strikes in ST
I think Wesneski's ratings are probably too low. Really good in his late season call up, absolutely dominant this spring

[Mantush]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Neither BA or MLB.com list him with a curve, so he may have stopped throwing this.

Good point. I was going off local media reports and didn't check his latest scouting report in BA. BA's 2023 report reads like he's stopped throwing it. Makes sense-- a lot of pitchers adjust their arsenal after tommy john.

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

It seems Fernandez didn't use the curve at all last year, so it doesn't really make sense to give this to him imo.

The cutter is a tricky one, because oftentimes guys like Fernandez don't really throw a cutter and a slider, it's just a slider that gets classified as a cutter sometimes or vice-versa. If we give guys too many pitches when in reality they throw less, this can actually make each pitch lower quality and make them less effective in-game, especially if they get used as a RP.

So it's a bit of an art to know when to classify a pitch like this as two different pitches and there's not necessarily a one-size fits all solution. Reasonable people can differ.

This makes sense; wasn't sure, but figured I'd mention it since I've seen scouting reports with the curveball and referencing it as a cutter and not a slider.

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Kind of similar to my comments on Fernandez, given that this is a bad pitch that he already rarely throws, he'll likely throw this less as he (seemingly) gets pushed more toward relief, and all this will likely do is make him less effective in-game as a RP, I think it's questionable if it makes sense to give him this pitch. Again, a judgement call here.

Gotcha. This was based on scouting reports as well, but I agree with the decision not to include it, especially if it ruins effectiveness in-game.

Thanks for all the hard work that you guys do every year. I can't imagine doing this for every MLB team.

[Karl Pagel Blues]

Originally Posted by Gussy

More Cubs prospect thoughts

Porter Hodge is far too high, still may end up a reliever
Javier Assad's velocity is far too low. He was dialing upper 90's during the WBC which he dominated
Might have been a little overaggressive knocking down Caleb Killian's control. He was an elite strike thrower before he got to the majors last year and sounds like he's back to throwing strikes in ST
I think Wesneski's ratings are probably too low. Really good in his late season call up, absolutely dominant this spring

Agreed on all four. As far as Hodge, maybe dial his FB and SL down a bit and instead hike POT MOV. I think his stuff is legit and the Cubs are going to give him every opportunity to stay at SP.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Karl Pagel Blues

Agreed on all four. As far as Hodge, maybe dial his FB and SL down a bit and instead hike POT MOV. I think his stuff is legit and the Cubs are going to give him every opportunity to stay at SP.

Hodge is more a case of ZIPS really liking him than anything iirc. I already nerfed him a little, but don't want to go too far.

[Gussy]

OF Canario with Cubs will be out until at least May 1. Suffered a gruesome ankle injury in AZ Fall League

[der_k]

“Time as a professional” is off, both because of the Covid year (I presume) but also other factors…

As an example, Eddinson Paulino (another Red Sox guy) was rule 5 eligible this past offseason as he had played in 19, 21, and 22 (and got credit for time served in 20). However, his file lists him with 2 years and 0 days of service - instead of 4 years. (His teammate Brainer Bonaci is in the same boat. Going outside the Sox, when I look at Wilderd Patino (d backs system) who began playing a year earlier - he is listed with 3 years when he has played in 4 and should be credited with 5. Looking at a domestic signing… Victor Vodnik (Atlanta) has played in 4, should have credit for 5, listed as only 2 years as a professional. It seels pretty widespread.

I can’t speak for others but I’m generally not too worried when OOTP and I disagree on a player or when an injury is missing (like Art Warren is likely to miss the year) - I can adjust this on my own or live with it being a related but different universe from our own. But current minor leaguers are under the control of their parent clubs for too long and things like Rule 5 and expansion drafts are off because of this.

(Thanks! Want to be clear - I think you collectively do really do good work with this.)

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by der_k

“Time as a professional” is off, both because of the Covid year (I presume) but also other factors…

As an example, Eddinson Paulino (another Red Sox guy) was rule 5 eligible this past offseason as he had played in 19, 21, and 22 (and got credit for time served in 20). However, his file lists him with 2 years and 0 days of service - instead of 4 years. (His teammate Brainer Bonaci is in the same boat. Going outside the Sox, when I look at Wilderd Patino (d backs system) who began playing a year earlier - he is listed with 3 years when he has played in 4 and should be credited with 5. Looking at a domestic signing… Victor Vodnik (Atlanta) has played in 4, should have credit for 5, listed as only 2 years as a professional. It seels pretty widespread.

I can’t speak for others but I’m generally not too worried when OOTP and I disagree on a player or when an injury is missing (like Art Warren is likely to miss the year) - I can adjust this on my own or live with it being a related but different universe from our own. But current minor leaguers are under the control of their parent clubs for too long and things like Rule 5 and expansion drafts are off because of this.

(Thanks! Want to be clear - I think you collectively do really do good work with this.)

Yeah, thanks.

I'd actually realized we missed on updating the 2022 service year for folks, so that should be in tomorrow's build.

[Lukas Berger]

That being said, some of the cases you mention seem like they may be another year off, which I wonder if it might not be related to past time in the DSL and or COVID. It's probably a little more complicated of a fix though.

We can look into that more closely when we have a little extra time.

[ajpolo]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Well, that's not really a roster issue.

Where should I post this then? I figured there was something in the profile of Oneil Cruz, Garrett Mitchell, Austin Wells, et al, causing this issue.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by ajpolo

Where should I post this then? I figured there was something in the profile of Oneil Cruz, Garrett Mitchell, Austin Wells, et al, causing this issue.

I would recommend just a separate post in the main bug report forums so we can take a general look at this and tweak things if needed.

[der_k]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

That being said, some of the cases you mention seem like they may be another year off, which I wonder if it might not be related to past time in the DSL and or COVID. It's probably a little more complicated of a fix though.

We can look into that more closely when we have a little extra time.

It’s been an issue since Covid that I had just never brought up until now, when the gap grew. (I can’t speak to if the DSL contributes here as well, though that’s why I also looked at a domestic guy in Vodnik.) Not sure how the logic works but if you have date of debut or a proxy to base off of, that might be a good first step (I’d guessed that years “played” is the primary base - neither exactly works, of course because life is always complicated.)

[Yankee_Drew]

I don't have the game yet but I noticed it in a video for the Yankees. Kaleb Cowart is listed as 3B. He exclusively pitched last year in minors and hasn't had an AB since 2019.

I'll look at the Yankees stuff more when I get the game on Friday.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Yankee_Drew

I don't have the game yet but I noticed it in a video for the Yankees. Kaleb Cowart is listed as 3B. He exclusively pitched last year in minors and hasn't had an AB since 2019.

I'll look at the Yankees stuff more when I get the game on Friday.

Fixed Cowart now.

[Dijon-Main]

Some players in the Yankees international complex are listed as having gone to Abeline Christian for school.

[der_k]

That’s not new is it? Int’l players falsely getting us schools?

[alec_shultz5]

Cade Horton (cubs prospect) is listed as a 2-way player -- I think he hit a bit in college but he'll exclusively be a pitcher