International League(s) Announcement

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

About the non-MLB partner Indy leagues, these will get removed, but not due to legal reasons but because these mostly caused problems due to small team rosters and some settings. The international tournament we have in the game stays, as this never was the official "World Baseball Classic".

Would it be possible to "unbundle" the Independent leagues, and allow the user to choose "Ala carte" which leagues they would like to install?

Also, what about draft leagues that aren't affiliated with MLB? Will these remain in OOTP, or are they also going to be removed?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by AlpineSK

So let people discuss their concerns freely as long as they stay within the guidelines set forth by the forum. You don't have to police every single thread that you think is negative.

First... He flatly states in his post he can't trust OOTP, nowhere did I tell him he was wrong.

"Can't trust them to not do the same thing in this case."

Point being OOTP, as it should, put out the information before the game was released so users could make an informed decision. The trouble is it came slightly after pre-orders started, which is why I said "I think they'd honor refund requests on the pre-order since nobody has received the game."

In either case he now has all of the information. He can take that, along with his trust level of OOTP, and make an informed decision. This is a good thing.

Where I did get a little off the mark is I misread the post and thought he was talking about both mods and the actual leagues being removed. Hence the "It's not going to change, it's been announced before release," was in the context (in my mind) that the unlicensed leagues being removed was a done decision. Rereading it now shows he was only talking about modded leagues that replaced the "ones being removed" could be removed from the mod forum like last year. Notice how I never challenged that either? As it stands the information is provided by OOTP, IE unlicensed leagues will be removed, and the modding community can replace said leagues. So, we're back to his "trust level" in OOTP, which I never commented on. I simply stated he has the current information and his experience with OOTP, and with that he can make an informed decision.

All posted within the forum guidelines.

[Mr. Marlin]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

About the non-MLB partner Indy leagues, these will get removed, but not due to legal reasons but because these mostly caused problems due to small team rosters and some settings. The international tournament we have in the game stays, as this never was the official "World Baseball Classic".

Plus it does protect against any future potential litigation. In today's world it's better to ship with only the licenses you have. The fact that means dropping leagues that don't have easily trackable roster changes or rules that can't be properly implemented is the icing on the cake. I just don't want to find my saved games were edited during an update and if not including unlicensed leagues prevents that necessity I'm good with it.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by AlpineSK

Don't worry. Modders can create whatever you need and quickstarts can be created.

I'm sure none of those would run the risk of being edited down the road if an issue were to arise.

Most mods I've found tend to include the MLB thereby making it next to impossible to import into a current save since it would be a major effort to delete the duplicates.

Besides the subforum for Mods has been pretty empty for the last few years, at least in terms of new leagues

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Most mods I've found tend to include the MLB thereby making it next to impossible to import into a current save since it would be a major effort to delete the duplicates.

Besides the subforum for Mods has been pretty empty for the last few years, at least in terms of new leagues

This is probably due to the fact there wasnt many leagues worth including that weren't already included at that point

[JerseyDan421]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I am fine with OOTP not shipping with the leagues as long as there are templates available. The problem I have, is the quality of work is going to suffer over time.

Individual users simply don't have the same working knowledge of various game settings, and how they will work...especially in concert with other leagues. The templates/leagues are not going to receive improvements from year to year, and they are going to be subject to user interpretation.

In some ways, it might be time to ditch all of the leagues and simply just focus on Baseball inside the United States, and do it well on an unparelleled level. This would mean a full working NCAA universe, full summer leagues, full colligate leagues etc.. It would mean finally doing finances to levels of detail never seen before.

I still think you would need a way to get international players, and I think they should have an artificial way to get players' posted. Currently this can only be done by having international leagues' active.

I know they won't do it, but I wouldn't really care at this point if they dumped the KBO...I mean, there's really no point in having a license for it unless you are going to have the other leagues to work with it. The money saved could be used for something much more engaging perhaps. KBO without *** and other major international leagues makes no sense, unless there is a truly realistic chance all of these licenses could somehow be acquired in the near future.

Of course I'd want them to get licenses for the rest of the foreign leagues, but like you said, if that can't happen especially relatively soon.. I'd LOVE for them to go ALL in on focusing on baseball inside the U..S those suggestions you said, would be AMAZING.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Originally Posted by mr. Marlin

plus it does protect against any future potential litigation. In today's world it's better to ship with only the licenses you have. The fact that means dropping leagues that don't have easily trackable roster changes or rules that can't be properly implemented is the icing on the cake. I just don't want to find my saved games were edited during an update and if not including unlicensed leagues prevents that necessity i'm good with it.

100%.

[Cod]

Has there been any announcement as to whether or not there will be any scrambling of leagues, teams, etc. of non-licensed leagues? Also, how will the scrambling effect imports from files never scrambled (from pre-OOTP 23, early versions of OOTP 23, etc.)?

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Cod

Has there been any announcement as to whether or not there will be any scrambling of leagues, teams, etc. of non-licensed leagues? Also, how will the scrambling effect imports from files never scrambled (from pre-OOTP 23, early versions of OOTP 23, etc.)?

Answered here - https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=344335

[Cod]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Answered here - https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=344335

Thanks, but this isn't entirely clear to me because of this line: This means, OOTP 24 will only include the MLB, MiLB, US Indy Leagues and the KBO as options when you choose to start a new standard game. Existing saved games that you import from OOTP 23 are not altered and fictional international leagues are still available, though.

If I import a world from OOTP 23 that still contains real stuff from a specific Japanese league, will it remain unaltered?

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Cod

Thanks, but this isn't entirely clear to me because of this line: This means, OOTP 24 will only include the MLB, MiLB, US Indy Leagues and the KBO as options when you choose to start a new standard game. Existing saved games that you import from OOTP 23 are not altered and fictional international leagues are still available, though.

If I import a world from OOTP 23 that still contains real stuff from a specific Japanese league, will it remain unaltered?

no, it will likely be scrambled. I don't know for sure, but I believe this to be the case.

[Mat]

Originally Posted by Cod

If I import a world from OOTP 23 that still contains real stuff from a specific Japanese league, will it remain unaltered?

The Japanese League would get scrambled.

However it seems other non-licensed leagues would be ok.
ie. if you import a game from OOTP23 with Australian Baseball League, the ABL would import without any scrambling.

[Infinite_Jester54]

As a mostly-MLB player, my main hope is that OOTP finds a way to simulate the posting process for foreign league free-agents in the new version. That's really the only reason I've had other leagues in my saves, and so there would be fairly little impact on my game if that effect could be simulated in other ways.

Though I do think the loss of many of the leagues from the recent versions of the game is a GREAT reason to add licensed NCAA teams to the game! It's so great in FHM right now, and I love the CWS!

[OOTP Rookie]

Originally Posted by Mat

The Japanese League would get scrambled.

However it seems other non-licensed leagues would be ok.
ie. if you import a game from OOTP23 with Australian Baseball League, the ABL would import without any scrambling.

Maybe changing the existing Japanese league's name, league abbreviation, and country before importing V23 would prevent scrambling. No idea if individual cities, team nicknames, and abbreviations would also have to be changed or if it's enough to change the league details.

[JerseyDan421]

Originally Posted by Infinite_Jester54

As a mostly-MLB player, my main hope is that OOTP finds a way to simulate the posting process for foreign league free-agents in the new version. That's really the only reason I've had other leagues in my saves, and so there would be fairly little impact on my game if that effect could be simulated in other ways.

Though I do think the loss of many of the leagues from the recent versions of the game is a GREAT reason to add licensed NCAA teams to the game! It's so great in FHM right now, and I love the CWS!

I would LOVE if they eventually added a license for NCAA teams.

[boscoJJ]

Originally Posted by JerseyDan421

I would LOVE if they eventually added a license for NCAA teams.

Same here, if we can get it in FHM,why not OOTP?

[mgom27]

You can just edit the Teams and so on.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

no, it will likely be scrambled. I don't know for sure, but I believe this to be the case.

We’ll have to give it a try when 24 comes out.

[Cod]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

We’ll have to give it a try when 24 comes out.

This was my thought as well since nobody seems to know for sure.

[BaseballGOAT]

Yea it'd be nice to be able to add that certain league back in the game as a mod. I get why they can't ship anymore.